DPS War - Yes/No

[baalzy]

Parses when tanking don't really accurately reflect your true DPS potential. Dodges/ripostes are going to eat a lot of your DPS when you compare it to a rogue/monk that is hitting from the back.

You could probably approximate the numbers by looking at your dodges/ripostes, adding those together then adjusting them by your average hit/miss %'s. Of course, you'd also wanna make sure to subtract your own ripostes.

[guineapig]

Problem is (other than the fact that a good ranger should be able to out DPS a warrior with little effort) that warriors have no way of dropping any DPS aggro they generate unlike a rogue or a monk who both can.

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem is (other than the fact that a good ranger should be able to out DPS a warrior with little effort) that warriors have no way of dropping any DPS aggro they generate unlike a rogue or a monk who both can.

But then the warrior is tanking. Doesn't sound like a problem to me.

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But then the warrior is tanking. Doesn't sound like a problem to me.

Which, apparent to anyone who actually read more than what you are quoting, is not what this thread is about.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Bruno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bad troll is bad.

Yes, you are trolling. Thanks for clearing that up.

Do a parse of a hasted Warrior with acceptable high level weaponry and you'll find it's at least 2x that of caster damage output.

[Ihealyou]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which, apparent to anyone who actually read more than what you are quoting, is not what this thread is about.

Oh, I thought the thread called dps warriors was about warriors tanking...

My point is, who gives a fuck if a warrior gets aggro? Yeah, you lose DPS, but now you're tanking. Either way, you're being useful to the group. A rogue tanking is worthless, which is why they need to be able to dump aggro. If a warrior can tank and do dps, why is it bad for him to do both? I don't choose between being a buffing and a healing cleric.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, I thought the thread called dps warriors was about warriors tanking...

My point is, who gives a fuck if a warrior gets aggro? Yeah, you lose DPS, but now you're tanking. Either way, you're being useful to the group. A rogue tanking is worthless, which is why they need to be able to dump aggro. If a warrior can tank and do dps, why is it bad for him to do both? I don't choose between being a buffing and a healing cleric.

+1

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you are trolling. Thanks for clearing that up.

Do a parse of a hasted Warrior with acceptable high level weaponry and you'll find it's at least 2x that of caster damage output.

Your response to another thread about a kedge group:

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's great that you're doing this. Something I would totally participate in but my character isn't high enough level on this server yet.

[Zuranthium]

Uh? Those two posts are completely unrelated. Exactly what is your point?

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem is (other than the fact that a good ranger should be able to out DPS a warrior with little effort) that warriors have no way of dropping any DPS aggro they generate unlike a rogue or a monk who both can.

How? At this point rangers don't get the tools to do this without getting their butts handed to them.

They can add a few DPS by putting drones of doom/immolate on a mob.

They don't hit harder, their weapon skills are lower then a warriors, they can't crit, and they don't really have any better weapon options.

So, how can a ranger easily out DPS a warrior?

Drones adds 5.6 dps, immolate adds 4 dps but would need to be applied as the mob comes in otherwise you take a hit in your DPS due to cast times. Which is going to put the ranger pretty high on the hate list off the bat.

Then you can cast Calefaction every 45 seconds which is ~4dps if you're able to recast it everytime it cycles but will also get you lots of instant agro. Don't forget that this gets lowered by the missed swings while you're casting.

~14dps is a pretty decent increase, but due to mana you can't keep it up and it's very likely going to get you agro. Drones is about the only DPS you can count on being able to use with reasonable assurance it won't lead to your death. Maybe the occasional calefaction agains't a mob at low health to finish it off.

With the way hate works currently on p99, as long as the warrior doesn't use any proc weapons its very unlikely they'll take agro from a Pal/Sk/Warrior with procs, except maybe at the very beginning of a fight before any spells/procs are used. Raw melee hits just don't generate enough agro compared to a couple procs of Ykesha.

Warriors get the same or better DPS options for 1handers (discounting agro generating procs). Rangers do get access to a better 2hander then warriors can. Woodsman staff at .89 dmg/delay ratio vs staff of battle at .84 dmg/delay. So then its really up in the air as to whether the .05 increased ratio can compensate for more misses, fewer max hits, and no crits.

Is a warrior ideal for pure DPS? No. Is it better then a ranger for DPS? At this point in the progression, yes.