CSG guilds FORCED to compete under rules written by neckbeards

[greasemonk]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah cause Riots actions for 14 months when the server was uncontested was so much better. You gave 0 fucks and killed every single mob aside from the random Vindi you may have allowed another guild to try.

We say it how it is. Its like anything else, if you want to bargain, bring something to the table. Even the GMs are aware that a guild that doesnt contest (no matter how much you want to think your one off time "competing" on a Kreizenn that was intentionally left alone due to blocking Vulak is competition) should have much less weight in the decisions and rules made.

You guys are just fake and manipulative and use Kittens to push your agenda and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker. Its sad to see, really.

Who was it that proposed the first resolution of permanent draft rotations when the first blanket ban came through? Riot.

Who was it that pushed for foot races opposed to COTHing (because Furor was losing the COTH battles)? You and Furor is the answer.

I understand that you and him are attempting to put Riot in the ground but it simply isn't going to work. You are going to burn out or Furor is finally going to get caught with his bullshit scumbaggery:

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Until that happens, we will simply just agree to disagree on who is the bigger jackass.

You mother fucking need Jesus.

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah cause Riots actions for 14 months when the server was uncontested was so much better. You gave 0 fucks and killed every single mob aside from the random Vindi you may have allowed another guild to try.

We say it how it is. Its like anything else, if you want to bargain, bring something to the table. Even the GMs are aware that a guild that doesnt contest (no matter how much you want to think your one off time "competing" on a Kreizenn that was intentionally left alone due to blocking Vulak is competition) should have much less weight in the decisions and rules made.

You guys are just fake and manipulative and use Kittens to push your agenda and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker. Its sad to see, really.

so how come all the guilds on the server maintain pretty cordial relations with Riot, but not your guild(s)? Case in point: a few weeks ago, when you got tracker FTE on zlex, immediately prior to (yet another) raid suspension taking effect, it took the collective server about 15 minutes to all agree to leave that zlex up until after you were suspended, so you couldn't kill vulak. Why was literally every other guild willing to do that, so quickly, if things were the way you say they are?

Because no one begrudges Riot killing mobs, and people respond to being treated decently. Greasemonk is right: you do need motherfucking jesus.

[Wokka]

Originally Posted by xdrcfrx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so how come all the guilds on the server maintain pretty cordial relations with Riot, but not your guild(s)? Case in point: a few weeks ago, when you got tracker FTE on zlex, immediately prior to (yet another) raid suspension taking effect, it took the collective server about 15 minutes to all agree to leave that zlex up until after you were suspended, so you couldn't kill vulak. Why was literally every other guild willing to do that, so quickly, if things were the way you say they are?

Because no one begrudges Riot killing mobs, and people respond to being treated decently. Greasemonk is right: you do need motherfucking jesus.

Unfortunately the majority of people on the server are fools and are easily swayed by Riots manipulative party line. Just look at Arclers petitions, he almost always injects some moral point or deviates to talk about how FRAG does this or that on purpose, doing his best to coerce the GM's and other players on the server into believing what he says is right. He will continue to push this political agenda in spite of evidence of Riot actually being in the wrong in many cases, in any hope that more people will be sucked into his vortex of nonsense. FRAG certainly aren't squeaky clean at all times, but to continue to push this "Riot are the good guys" and never do wrong is laughable.

[Chakfor]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah cause Riots actions for 14 months when the server was uncontested was so much better. You gave 0 fucks and killed every single mob aside from the random Vindi you may have allowed another guild to try.

We say it how it is. Its like anything else, if you want to bargain, bring something to the table. Even the GMs are aware that a guild that doesnt contest (no matter how much you want to think your one off time "competing" on a Kreizenn that was intentionally left alone due to blocking Vulak is competition) should have much less weight in the decisions and rules made.

You guys are just fake and manipulative and use Kittens to push your agenda and these fools fall for it hook line and sinker. Its sad to see, really.

I pray that one day you can find a healthy outlet for your emotions. I don't dislike you so much as truly, deeply, pity you. It's a mystery who hurt you so badly that you'd feel the need to constantly spew so much hate over things that don't matter at all, in the end. And one day, whether it be today or in the twilight of your life, I hope that you find peace and learn to accept yourself and others.

[Duckwalk]

Originally Posted by Chakfor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I pray that one day you can find a healthy outlet for your emotions. I don't dislike you so much as truly, deeply, pity you. It's a mystery who hurt you so badly that you'd feel the need to constantly spew so much hate over things that don't matter at all, in the end. And one day, whether it be today or in the twilight of your life, I hope that you find peace and learn to accept yourself and others.

Him, furour and beef are just sad lonely people deriving value in their lives from "being better than", "outplaying" but really just trolling other players in a 20 year old emulated elf sim.

"the pixels are so much sweeter" say the shut-in after staring at his computer screen for 16 hours so that he can put a side grade on his 5th alt.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by karadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any guild that wanted to provide input on the rules was more than welcome to join us in timeout for 3 weeks.

Any law-abiding citizen that wants to provide input on the laws is more than welcome to join us in jail/rehab for 3 weeks.

[Arvan]

Lol trying to have a rational conversation like adults with these people you would get further talking to your cat

[Sancta]

"Guys our guild is never going to attempt a target in ToV unless no one is there, we aren't going to contest a single thing, but give us a seat at the table which discusses the rules for a competitive environment."

Look if you were a competitive guild you would have known all the rules no matter where they were "stickied". And on top of that you'd have say in future rules, it's really that simple.

[Aadill]

Jutebox <KWSM>11/08/2020
Our proposal's limited draft with package deals would continue to be a good model for a quarterly draft. It's already been endorsed by KWSM, TSS, AEGIS, DB, LH. It helps speak to issues around blocker mobs, which is the more challenging aspect of a limited draft.

At least someone was aware of it.

My take on it is, it's a rule that every guild in TOV at the time could've agreed to ignore unless the GMs specifically said to follow the rule.
And, yes, the rules should be clearly posted somewhere. Thus far it's been left to server staff to maintain a permanent impartial and uneditable link to the rules. Makes the most sense to add it there.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

[xdrcfrx]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jutebox <KWSM>11/08/2020
Our proposal's limited draft with package deals would continue to be a good model for a quarterly draft. It's already been endorsed by KWSM, TSS, AEGIS, DB, LH. It helps speak to issues around blocker mobs, which is the more challenging aspect of a limited draft.

At least someone was aware of it.

My take on it is, it's a rule that every guild in TOV at the time could've agreed to ignore unless the GMs specifically said to follow the rule.
And, yes, the rules should be clearly posted somewhere. Thus far it's been left to server staff to maintain a permanent impartial and uneditable link to the rules. Makes the most sense to add it there.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=189856

Not clear if that's a rule we could have collectively agreed to ignore, or not. I can def see the argument for that position, though. Would the same line of thinking apply to other rules that were updated as part of that process? Certainly we'd be subject to those rules in the event any of AG/F/R are present, so I think the counterpoint is it's beneficial to just always be operating under a consistent standard.

Probably would make sense to update that forum post with current rule changes that were agreed to coming out of the collective ban in Oct/Nov, though. Thanks for the reasonable reply.

Sorry to you folks that were super triggered by having this pointed out lol.