Estimate on Student Loan Forgiveness

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The education system, itself, is engineered to punish people who quickly conceptualize, synthesize, and integrate what is being taught. Keeping the astute burdened with busy work until the dullards can finally "get it"

Agreed it caters to the lowest common denominator.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah dude. I mean I understand how you get brain rot from the internet and all, but please understand that not contributing tax money has nothing to do with the work that a woman does.

Consider the fact that most men are raised by women and you may realize that all those super valuable tax revenue generators (men) are only the result of the women that raised them, since their father was of course away at work.

In that sense, women produce men who produce tax, so all tax revenue from the man is attributed to the woman.

This whole argument is totally ridiculous anyways I am just kinda playing around with it.

Men and Women are human beings that coexist for mutual benefit across the board. Infographic toxic shit like this make me physically ill.

My wife has zero down time ever in the raising of our two kids. They will slowly become less dependent on her but essentially she performs "unpaid" labor well beyond the limitations of all labor laws and would probably gross around 300k if she was monetarily compensated based on her competency.

Question is: does that contribution require higher education, for what will essentially be a secondary or tertiary hobby for women?

Mind you, in my situation, I'm doing both the parenting and the earning, as my children's mother is a drug addict who led my children into squallor with the courts' default position of women as nurturers.

Despite your frail stomach.

[Gustoo]

It depends on the quality of the results you are after. For some mothers or parents it is a full time position that benefits greatly from higher education and certainly from continued education.

I don't see it as a hobby for anyone, either it is a very painstaking (yet ultimately rewarding) occupation or a resented chore. The results of these different approaches are quite evident.

[Gustoo]

Regardless of the approach, most women are going to spend most of their best years raising children, which is a job that demands perpetual on call status except in the case of people that can have a full time Nanny which changes the dynamic further.

This effectively puts a stake through the heart of career development which is most productive in the 20's and 30's which are baby making and raising times for women, which will limit their overall ability to produce taxable income.

When there isn't a parent to raise a kid, the societal result is much more highly negative as we see from the products of our public education system. (they're really good at iPads)

There are other approaches than the totally insane completely isolated way we operate families (in general) in the united states but I am talking about the current society that produced the data used in that offensive infographic.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends on the quality of the results you are after. For some mothers or parents it is a full time position that benefits greatly from higher education and certainly from continued education.

I don't see it as a hobby for anyone, either it is a very painstaking (yet ultimately rewarding) occupation or a resented chore. The results of these different approaches are quite evident.

Of course, but the whole concept of student loan debt forgiveness revolves around removing the consequence for the latter.

People who actually take their responsibilities seriously don't need the forgiveness to begin with

[Gwaihir]

And before we go any further on the "offensiveness" of the infographic, perhaps we should consider the "offensiveness" of running on a platform of promising student loan forgiveness, and then not following through on it, because that's what's going to happen by the "offended" party.

Words are cheap as fuck, and are in no way reflective of principle if unexecuted.

[Gustoo]

I don't know what your infographic has to do with the actual topic of this thread.

I agree that student loan forgiveness and the very concept is a mistake.

Make laws and structures that make sense. Its the same with "legalizing" illegal immigrants. Make an actual process for legalization rather than just blanket approving everyone that paid no heed to the laws that were in place.

Same deal, same kind of mistake. It is OK if it is a 1 time thing but zero effort has been put into actually creating a better system.

Loan forgiveness and a total revamp of the system would be 100% A-OK to me. Loan forgiveness and no changes is dumb.

The info graphic is offensive to me because I love women and it seems to presenting data in a way to make the spurious implication that they are inferior because of their overall status as a "tax burden" which simply shows the weakness of the tool being used to measure value rather than the thing being measured.

Its the same problem with using the stock market as an indication of the well being of society which we know is not the case. Our current civilization seems to be close to crumbling while the stock market is doing fantastic. Its because the tool (stock market) is inappropriately being used to assess other areas of the world or economy.

[Gwaihir]

You're making the assumption that one cannot love women while simultaneously making the objective conclusion that having to repay the money's lendedfromRothschild to pay for a forgiveness program would disproportionately fall upon the heads of men.

I love women too. I have a wife and 4 daughters.

If you don't intend to dedicate yourself to the life of a laborer and pay back the money's borrowed, don't pursue higher education.

The reason why the student loan crisis is a crisis, is because more women than ever are pursuing college educations, yet they aren't paying it back in the form of the actual loan payments OR taxes that could be used to pay for a forgiveness program.

That's how they're related

[Gustoo]

Thanks for explaining the relation.

Is there data that shows women default on their student loans more than men?

Actual question not rhetorical.

[Gustoo]

Also I didn’t know the student loan crisis was a crisis outside of the crisis of the middle class ceasing to exist which the loan thing would be more a symptom of than a cause. Does anyone think student loans are actually the cause of bad stuff or just think it would be nice not to pay them?