Estimate on Student Loan Forgiveness

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Yeah dude. I mean I understand how you get brain rot from the internet and all, but please understand that not contributing tax money has nothing to do with the work that a woman does.

Consider the fact that most men are raised by women and you may realize that all those super valuable tax revenue generators (men) are only the result of the women that raised them, since their father was of course away at work.

In that sense, women produce men who produce tax, so all tax revenue from the man is attributed to the woman.

This whole argument is totally ridiculous anyways I am just kinda playing around with it.

Men and Women are human beings that coexist for mutual benefit across the board. Infographic toxic shit like this make me physically ill.

My wife has zero down time ever in the raising of our two kids. They will slowly become less dependent on her but essentially she performs "unpaid" labor well beyond the limitations of all labor laws and would probably gross around 300k if she was monetarily compensated based on her competency.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah dude. I mean I understand how you get brain rot from the internet and all, but please understand that not contributing tax money has nothing to do with the work that a woman does.

Consider the fact that most men are raised by women and you may realize that all those super valuable tax revenue generators (men) are only the result of the women that raised them, since their father was of course away at work.

In that sense, women produce men who produce tax, so all tax revenue from the man is attributed to the woman.

This whole argument is totally ridiculous anyways I am just kinda playing around with it.

Men and Women are human beings that coexist for mutual benefit across the board. Infographic toxic shit like this make me physically ill.

My wife has zero down time ever in the raising of our two kids. They will slowly become less dependent on her but essentially she performs "unpaid" labor well beyond the limitations of all labor laws and would probably gross around 300k if she was monetarily compensated based on her competency.

Question is: does that contribution require higher education, for what will essentially be a secondary or tertiary hobby for women?

Mind you, in my situation, I'm doing both the parenting and the earning, as my children's mother is a drug addict who led my children into squallor with the courts' default position of women as nurturers.

Despite your frail stomach.

[Gustoo]

In the case of a mother it is simply because their work is not paid and taxed and documented accordingly so I don't understand the purpose of pointing this out.

While some hyper involved parents want their kids to get a lot out of their primary education, the fact is that most high school educations are inadequate, though they could and should be.

Those third trimester readers are on a different track all together with that level of parental involvement they can be homeschooled and have an AA degree by the time they are 17 even with average intelligence and a bachelors in another year and a half.

So that is a different topic all together. Our costly public education system doesn't get us much, then we take student loans out, and they don't get us much with a BA. Then people get masters degrees who aren't smart because they get you more money in a government job.

Over 50% of jobs in USA are government jobs either local or federal. That means over 50% of all peoples whole livelihood depends on never having a felony or maybe even a misdemeanor which would disqualify them from those jobs. It's like a perpetual bribe from the government of its people using their money of course.

And then now it isn't even using taxpayers dollars because they're spending way more than the tax revenue.

So why not just cancel taxes too since we can just print whatevs?

:''''(

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the case of a mother it is simply because their work is not paid and taxed and documented accordingly so I don't understand the purpose of pointing this out.

While some hyper involved parents want their kids to get a lot out of their primary education, the fact is that most high school educations are inadequate, though they could and should be.

Those third trimester readers are on a different track all together with that level of parental involvement they can be homeschooled and have an AA degree by the time they are 17 even with average intelligence and a bachelors in another year and a half.

So that is a different topic all together. Our costly public education system doesn't get us much, then we take student loans out, and they don't get us much with a BA. Then people get masters degrees who aren't smart because they get you more money in a government job.

Over 50% of jobs in USA are government jobs either local or federal. That means over 50% of all peoples whole livelihood depends on never having a felony or maybe even a misdemeanor which would disqualify them from those jobs. It's like a perpetual bribe from the government of its people using their money of course.

And then now it isn't even using taxpayers dollars because they're spending way more than the tax revenue.

So why not just cancel taxes too since we can just print whatevs?

:''''(

The education system, itself, is engineered to punish people who quickly conceptualize, synthesize, and integrate what is being taught. Keeping the astute burdened with busy work until the dullards can finally "get it"

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Gwaihir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The education system, itself, is engineered to punish people who quickly conceptualize, synthesize, and integrate what is being taught. Keeping the astute burdened with busy work until the dullards can finally "get it"

Agreed it caters to the lowest common denominator.

[magnetaress]

Gustoo dropping reality down here.

[Gustoo]

It depends on the quality of the results you are after. For some mothers or parents it is a full time position that benefits greatly from higher education and certainly from continued education.

I don't see it as a hobby for anyone, either it is a very painstaking (yet ultimately rewarding) occupation or a resented chore. The results of these different approaches are quite evident.

[Gwaihir]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends on the quality of the results you are after. For some mothers or parents it is a full time position that benefits greatly from higher education and certainly from continued education.

I don't see it as a hobby for anyone, either it is a very painstaking (yet ultimately rewarding) occupation or a resented chore. The results of these different approaches are quite evident.

Of course, but the whole concept of student loan debt forgiveness revolves around removing the consequence for the latter.

People who actually take their responsibilities seriously don't need the forgiveness to begin with

[Gwaihir]

And before we go any further on the "offensiveness" of the infographic, perhaps we should consider the "offensiveness" of running on a platform of promising student loan forgiveness, and then not following through on it, because that's what's going to happen by the "offended" party.

Words are cheap as fuck, and are in no way reflective of principle if unexecuted.

[Gustoo]

Regardless of the approach, most women are going to spend most of their best years raising children, which is a job that demands perpetual on call status except in the case of people that can have a full time Nanny which changes the dynamic further.

This effectively puts a stake through the heart of career development which is most productive in the 20's and 30's which are baby making and raising times for women, which will limit their overall ability to produce taxable income.

When there isn't a parent to raise a kid, the societal result is much more highly negative as we see from the products of our public education system. (they're really good at iPads)

There are other approaches than the totally insane completely isolated way we operate families (in general) in the united states but I am talking about the current society that produced the data used in that offensive infographic.