Why every list change idea is terrible (as simple as possible)

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is even worse - now the neckbeards don't even need to pay attention. Neckbeards can make and level more toons. Manastone camp was same people, different toons. Do you know how many level 35 anonymous/unguilded, largely ungeared toons I found at Manastone camp? AFK checks held back the neckbeard swarm from overrunning that place. But lifetime lockout ain't gonna stop them from their current level of insanity.

Do you know how many top raiders already have a 2nd or 3rd level 50 just to ding 52 then park at Vox/Naggy when Kunark goes live?

"If you're in Blackburrow you may randomly get awarded a gnoll fang regardless of killing anything, time spent in zone, etc." Love this. I know exactly where to AFK my level 7 barb shaman.

LOL. no one is going to get 2. They will still have to level the second character up to 55-56.. probably what the list will be set at. So they gonna grind 1 guy to 55-56 then camp forever to get a staff then grind another to 55-56 and hit jackpot twice in the sort window the item is going to be available? Nope. just not happening.


Anyway I wasn't saying do away with AFK checks either. Though i think they could be improved.

[Ravager]

I just had a crazy idea... if you don't like it, then don't do it. There's plenty of other fun shit to do.

[Jibartik]

EQ is like christmas morning, there are sparkly treasures everywhere, but after you open them all its just a regular morning.

Aiding players when it comes to obtaining these items imo was a mistake, one I thought was a very smart choice back when we did it.

Like most things that history proves were a mistke, lists were made with great intentions.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is like christmas morning, there are sparkly treasures everywhere, but after you open them all its just a regular morning.

Aiding players when it comes to obtaining these items imo was a mistake, one I thought was a very smart choice back when we did it.

Like most things that history proves were a mistke, lists were made with great intentions.

I'm not sure how you can make this claim since you have no idea the outcome of an alternative. Also, I can certainly say the need for GM/guide intervention due these lists most likely made a huge difference for them at least.

[Jibartik]

The alternative is that you dont obtain the legacy item you were hoping to obtain. Im very familiar with that.

I for one did not get one I wanted my whole life, and now looking back Im glad I can still lust after it, so I kind of do know the alternative. I also know that after obtaining things I wanted in this game for 20 years, on p99, that I do not enjoy it as much as I did for 19 years leading up to obtaining em.

Im glad I still do not have a decked out ranger dark elf or a lustrous russet shaman.

Here I am only saying that perhaps "getting what you want" is less rewarding in this game game as simply "enjoying the journey"

[douglas1999]

Still haven't read a good argument as to why taking some measure to throttle account sharing would be bad. It would dissuade a non-zero percentage of neckbeards. I do not think it would encourage *additional* neckbeards as some kind of fuck you dad, but maybe that is the case? It's speculative.

[douglas1999]

I mean specifically for lists btw, not for account sharing generally. While it is also kinda lame it's a reality here.

[Wutaan]

It's not speculative, limiting account sharing would be a fix but the current system has put in an automated system that is concrete, they reduced their already overwhelmingly ridiculous petition que by a huge amount.

/list is what it is and it is here to stay, it's not perfect but it's better than the alternative. If the community as a whole really starts to hate it then we will really make that known when people have to take a 50+ to a camp. Mob justice is the only thing that keeps an illusion of order in every country that aren't European.

[Castle2.0]

Still haven't read a good argument as to why taking some measure to throttle account sharing would be bad.

Because the mechanisms offered so far wouldn't stop the small group of elite /listers and it would have negative impact on at least some casuals.

limiting account sharing would be a fix

What exact mechanism should be used to limit account sharing? So far we've heard IP cannot change - but VPN or shared VM (don't even need to log out of the character on this one.) VPN much more likely and accessible to even the brain dead.

Anything else?

I'm all for limiting account sharing, but I can't see how it would be done well.

[Wutaan]

My toon on green is Selasen btw, I haven't played in months but I had some time off so I rolled a rogue