Approaching peak Orwell

[Bigsham]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything alive deserves to live and prosper. Everything that can feel deserves to feel good. From the best of us to the worst of us, that truth is self evident.

However sometimes i get the impression that some groups fighting for equal rights are not seeking equality, they are seeking supremacy.

When they stand in the streets and protest, they are exercising their rights and bringing attention to real problems in the nation/world.

When they destroy property and kill people, they are waging war!!

I'm a Korean guy IRL. So maybe the white experience/black experience is lost on me. I've heard "asian C word" thrown at me a few times in my life, its sort of a, huh? thing. Asians in general don't seem to be bothered by racism directed at them. I haven't been offended... and i do get offended easily. I'll chew your face off for much lesser offenses than racism.

But when I read/hear that saying "all lives matter" makes you a racist, That to me screams that BLM is seeking Supremacy.

Bacteria is alive, so is a virus

covid19 requires human hosts, does it deserve to live?

What about a morbol fly or a mosquito ?

How about a leech?

Rabies?

[Trexller]

Yeah from a natural standpoint, mother nature/god/universe/flying spaghetti monster/M theory/evolution/pick one has brought these organisms to exist as what we would call "life" so by that school of thought, they earned it.

a virus isn't exactly alive by the terms with which we would usually define life. its organic for sure, very very different from bacteria though.

Sure theres living things that suck for humans, that just sucks for us. The spectrum of life is vastly diverse. We humans do take great measures to place or remove other forms of life, nature gave us the ability to do so. So we do. We plant gardens, we kill weeds, we disinfect toilets, we raise animals on massive factory farms etc.

This concept however, applied to a human civil rights debate is abhorrent.

[Woke Locc]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah from a natural standpoint, mother nature/god/universe/flying spaghetti monster/M theory/evolution/pick one has brought these organisms to exist as what we would call "life" so by that school of thought, they earned it.

a virus isn't exactly alive by the terms with which we would usually define life. its organic for sure, very very different from bacteria though.

Sure theres living things that suck for humans, that just sucks for us. The spectrum of life is vastly diverse. We humans do take great measures to place or remove other forms of life, nature gave us the ability to do so. So we do. We plant gardens, we kill weeds, we disinfect toilets, we raise animals on massive factory farms etc.

This concept however, applied to a human civil rights debate is abhorrent.

Viruses are made of star stuff

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Woke Locc [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Viruses are made of star stuff

Everything that is anything is made of Star Dust
all elements from helium to iron are made in the fusion of hydrogen and so on. Everything heavier than iron is produced from a type 1A supernova. That's a big enough boom to out-shine a galaxy.

-Carl Sagan

[Bigsham]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah from a natural standpoint, mother nature/god/universe/flying spaghetti monster/M theory/evolution/pick one has brought these organisms to exist as what we would call "life" so by that school of thought, they earned it.

a virus isn't exactly alive by the terms with which we would usually define life. its organic for sure, very very different from bacteria though.

Sure theres living things that suck for humans, that just sucks for us. The spectrum of life is vastly diverse. We humans do take great measures to place or remove other forms of life, nature gave us the ability to do so. So we do. We plant gardens, we kill weeds, we disinfect toilets, we raise animals on massive factory farms etc.

This concept however, applied to a human civil rights debate is abhorrent.

But bacteria and virus's are alive, and we need them.

Our planet is too overpopulated and we will need them to reduce that, This pandemic isnt that bad, but future ones will be. With a high population its very easy for them to spread

go look at how many cases they have in wyoming or idaho

our population density is too high in this world, we need to lose 60% or more

we will lose around 10% with covid

[Trexller]

I can agree.

Thanos was right and should have been left to his work.

side note: a virus isn't a living organism, this is the reason they are so damn hard to treat

[Woke Locc]

Malthusianism smells and is incorrect fellas

[Blingy]

Originally Posted by Bigsham [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we will lose around 10% with covid

Not sure how you came up with this number but what the hell.

Currently about 1% of the USA has been infected; 3,242,073 out of 328,200,000. Of that 3.2M about 135k have died; or about 4%. I'm not following other countries (except New Zeland simply because they haven't had a recorded covid-19 case in over a month).

In order for the USA to loose 10% that means 32.28 million people will need to die to this thing. Yea, I don't see that happening. Considering the world population is just shy of 8 billion does that mean you're really expecting 800,000,000 people to die to this thing?

Sorry, the sniff test doesn't agree with you.

Oh:
Idaho, US
Population: 1,787,000
Confirmed: 9,929 (0.55%)
Deaths: 101
Recovered: 3,066
Active: 6,762

Wyoming, US
Population: 578,759
Confirmed: 1,839 (0.3%)
Deaths: 21
Recovered: 1,361
Active: 457

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by Blingy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure how you came up with this number but what the hell.

Currently about 1% of the USA has been infected; 3,242,073 out of 328,200,000. Of that 3.2M about 135k have died; or about 4%. I'm not following other countries (except New Zeland simply because they haven't had a recorded covid-19 case in over a month).

In order for the USA to loose 10% that means 32.28 million people will need to die to this thing. Yea, I don't see that happening. Considering the world population is just shy of 8 billion does that mean you're really expecting 800,000,000 people to die to this thing?

Sorry, the sniff test doesn't agree with you.

Oh:
Idaho, US
Population: 1,787,000
Confirmed: 9,929 (0.55%)
Deaths: 101
Recovered: 3,066
Active: 6,762

Wyoming, US
Population: 578,759
Confirmed: 1,839 (0.3%)
Deaths: 21
Recovered: 1,361
Active: 457

Its all BS. Any old geezer about to die who tests positive for COVID19 is a COVID19 death. Nonsense. My mom died recently she had cancer heart problems and 3 or 4 other issues, they never could tell me what she died from. And I am expected to believe them now? Sure

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by kjs86z [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl you cannot be serious

I, of course, am serious in the sense of satirical humor being used to prove a point.

The issue with the statement "All Lives Matter" is if we truly believed that as a society, we would be well on our way to utopia. "All Lives Matter" means that regardless of <attribute here> we should give everyone a fair chance regardless of their history. That means no exceptions. Which, arguably, isn't reasonable when you consider the past actions of other individuals.

The problem then becomes where we draw the line on when past history should become acceptable to forgive... should it be over something as petty as annoying someone (ie; online trolling), something as unforgivable as robbery / theft, or something as bad as rape / murder / child abuse?

And there's no easy answer to that.

There is, however, an easy answer to "Black Lives Matter", which is, if I didn't know someone, and treated them differently because they are black and not knowing what they did in the past, I would be considered racist because I judged without knowing their backstory.

I can't say "All Lives Matter" after reading that someone was convicted for raping a kid and then having the same guy move in next door. I would outright judge them without knowing them, keep my children away from them, etc. I can't say the same about if a black man moved next door to me, without getting to know him or his history. And I certainly wouldn't judge him because he's black. So of course, by first glance, "Black Lives Matter" but certainly not "All Lives Matter."

I should mention I am fairly conservative and part of due process means that you give everyone a chance to defend themselves in a court of law. Many people of all backgrounds never get a chance to defend themselves as they are judged by racists, sexists, homophobes and others that are in charge of law enforcement - before they even get to a court of law. That is the issue. It has nothing to do with race.