Pandemic screwed essential workers trying to /list

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everquest-y

People willing to log on later at night, say after 10pm or wake up early on a weekend to play all day were once things people wouldn't consider but did because of Original Everquest.

So you're saying that in EverQuest some players are willing to put in more hours (or play at different hours), and those players should have a better chance? I couldn't agree more.

But if you're saying that only people willing to not sleep for a week should get to play EverQuest (or at least get the best pixels in it), I strongly disagree.

[Mblake81]

good lord.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying that in EverQuest some players are willing to put in more hours (or play at different hours), and those players should have a better chance? I couldn't agree more.

That is not what you are saying, Loramin.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you're saying that only people willing to not sleep for a week should get to play EverQuest (or at least get the best pixels in it), I strongly disagree.

Because of the list right? and there are guys not sleeping for a week to do that?

Why was the list put in, Loramin.

[Arvan]

Pro tip kiddo - roll a dark elf if you want to look like a dark elf

[Anxarcule]

I think a better solution would be for the server to keep track of how many hours you have logged at a given camp. and at any given time whoever has the most logged hours is #1. it would allow semi-poopsockers to put in their time in chunks instead of all at once.

Just me 0.02c, though I don't have any /list items and probably wouldn't even with my proposed system

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pro tip kiddo - roll a dark elf if you want to look like a dark elf

And run around in sweet Adamantite armor while the rest of the mouth droolers quibble over a manastone to the point they topsy-turvy the game to be fair, so everyone can have a pixel and restore their digital fantasy self-esteem.

Legacy items should never be removed or changed.

Other camps should never be changed for the whims of a few cry babies who can't deal with it.

one fucking year I spent chasing a white dragon scale because A/A had everything locked down.

Oh where oh where were the Loramins of the day to White Knight forumquest to get that drop changed so it could be fair. OH.. maybe he wants a manastone or two?

Where were my multitude of retarded threads about how A/A are the big bad guys and they suck! I am cool and deserve a stone or a pixel. Change the game so I can win! The only thing I have EVER requested on this site was a change to NTOV entrance pulls, mainly because they had it set up for fucks who didn't want to play the game at all.

[Castle2.0]

It's a lotto either way, and ultimately it has to be. There's no other way to fairly distribute one mastone among 100 people that want it.

Two logical fallacies here: (1) False equivocation and (2) begging the question.

(1) See poker vs lottery example. Some RNG does not equal pure RNG. Poker does not equal lottery.
(2) You assume pure RNG is the only way to 'fairly distribute' the manastone and thus your pure RNG must be correct.

Effectively, you're saying:
"Your idea is based on the same premise as mine. And since my standard of fairness is the right one, my idea must be correct."

Wrong.

The question is, do we only let the most insane players, who are willing to do (extreme) non-EverQuest things (like not sleep for a week), participate in that lottery, or do we open it up to everyone who wants to play the game?

Another logical fallacy: False dichotomy - I got a Manastone in 18 hours once. Anyone who really wants it, can stay up 18 hours once and be totally healthy and sane.

To those who go long....no one is staying up for a week. People are banding together with friends to camp an item, and taking turns camping it. Sounds pretty EQ to me. Kind of like getting your epic. I'd even call it an "asynchronous epic camp" since it's friends camping the item in succession.

Your argument is pretty flaccid: " Fellas.... it's INSANITY or my way (whcih BTW I am going to tell you, is just so very reasonable, so good, I'm just going to describe it as "open it up to everyone who wants to play the game").

Lastly, your Bernie Bro socialist approach is one of the worst ideas to 'fix' list. I'm not going to ping pong the idea back and forth with you on this. It will never happen because it is so antithetical to the spirit of EQ. It cheapens the goal (manastone) by requiring nothing more than dumb luck. No feeling of ownership, no feeling of accomplishment -- it's socialism.

I'll let you argue it out with others. I've made my points -- they can stand on their own merits, and I'll bet 50K, your approach is never implemented for Manastone on Green.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two logical fallacies here: (1) False equivocation and (2) begging the question.

Jesus Christ: I get page after page of Blake, and then out of nowhere someone wants to have a rational debate! I think you're wrong about my "fallacies", but damn it's nice to have someone who at least engages, and with logic no less!

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(1) See poker vs lottery example. Some RNG does not equal pure RNG. Poker does not equal lottery.
(2) You assume pure RNG is the only way to 'fairly distribute' the manastone and thus your pure RNG must be correct.

Effectively, you're saying:
"Your idea is based on the same premise as mine. And since my standard of fairness is the right one, my idea must be correct."

Wrong.

So not sleeping for a week = playing poker? I don't buy it.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(2) False dichotomy - I got a Manastone in 18 hours once. Anyone who really wants it, can stay up 18 hours once and be totally healthy and sane.

Ok, you tell me: what's the name of the logical fallacy where you take an exceptional case and try to use it to ignore the actually applicable cases (bonus points for the Latin name [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])?

Most people getting a manastone, and for certain everyone since the servers merged, have all needed much, much longer than 18 hours.

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To those who go long....no one is staying up for a week. People are banding together with friends to camp an item, and taking turns camping it. Sounds pretty EQ to me. Kind of like getting your epic. I'd even call it an "asynchronous epic camp" since it's friends camping the item in succession.

So sharing accounts is how things were done in classic EverQuest? You had to trade accounts with another real life player to get the good stuff? Strange, I don't remember that at all: that seems 100% like an unclassic requirement introduced solely by P99.

(But again, I don't blame P99; trying to recreate an ancient game when the players have modern knowledge is a hard problem, and /list 1.0 was a great solution ... I just think an even better way is possible.)

Originally Posted by Castle2.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(3) Lastly, your Bernie Bro socialist approach is one of the worst ideas to 'fix' list. I'm not going to ping pong the idea back and forth with you on this. It will never happen because it is so antithetical to the spirit of EQ. It cheapens the goal (manastone) by requiring nothing more than dumb luck. No feeling of ownership, no feeling of accomplishment -- it's socialism.

I'll let you argue it out with others. I've made my points -- they can stand on their own merits, and I'll bet 50K, your approach never is implemented for Manastone on Green.

You lost me here. How is it socialist for everyone who puts in the effort to have an equal chance to gain a reward, based on how much effort they put in? That's fucking capitalism bro: no one's guaranteed a thing, and the only way to make sure you get something you want is to work harder for it.

It's more socialist (at least if we're talking Russian socialism and not say Danish socialism) to pick an arbitrary elite group that did nothing within the game itself to deserve it, and give them all the good shit.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus Christ: I get page after page of Blake, and then out of nowhere someone wants to have a rational debate!

Bite me, you icy nutts Barbarian

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one fucking year I spent chasing a white dragon scale because A/A had everything locked down.

Oh where oh where were the Loramins of the day to White Knight forumquest to get that drop changed so it could be fair. OH.. maybe he wants a manastone or two?

Stockholm syndrome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, nothing I've said would change any of what you said. Even if /list 2.0 were implemented tomorrow on every mob in the game, you'd still probably have to put in a year to win one, unless you were insanely lucky, because lots of people want white dragon scales and there aren't enough to go around. X and Y, like I said before.

There are no free pixels in EverQuest, and I'm certainly not promising any ... I just want to get back to playing EverQuest for pixels.

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bite me, you icy nutts Barbarian

<3

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are no free pixels in EverQuest, and I'm certainly not promising any ... I just want to get back to playing EverQuest for pixels.

The list was put in to get you guys stones, it was loaded up to the point you have to wait a week (or whatever the time is)

If you want to get back to playing EQ for pixels to knock out the top guys and get them. Or log in at an odd hour, which you are not going to get 'lucky' with the manastone camp because it was setup to give you guys a fair chance.

Your crying is what has resulted in this. Now you can't deal with that and want it changed but fail to grasp how that will be taken advantage of, a month after the 'improvement' has been put in there will be more threads about how it sucks and it needs to be more fair.

Rogean/Nilbog could just insta-poof some stones on each of your characters.. but that would be complained about because the other guy had two accounts and now has more.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stockholm syndrome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you take up employment at some asian mobile games company?