worst class in classic

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Wrekt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. Playing a hybrid before velious is extremely inconsiderate if you group. Don't make your poor decision my problem.

[Atmas]

I spent sometime debating on posting something in this thread. Honestly, by this point if you haven't looked at the parsing for healing or don't understand the utility hybrids have you probably won't ever get it. Properly played hybrids will always be better group tanks than warriors and will worth it in group efficiency and time saved because of utility.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I spent sometime debating on posting something in this thread. Honestly, by this point if you haven't looked at the parsing for healing or don't understand the utility hybrids have you probably won't ever get it. Properly played hybrids will always be better group tanks than warriors and will worth it in group efficiency and time saved because of utility.

Eh it depends on the group. If you have someone in the group willing to root the mob each pull, then you don't really need that snap aggro from the hybrids and so a lot of the benefit of them versus a warrior goes away. Snaring ability is nice too, but other classes have that so it's not something you absolutely need a hybrid for. The only hybrid I would say is really worth the penalty is a Bard pre-level 29 when Enchanters finally get C and healer and caster downtime becomes drastically reduced. Otherwise, I'd rather have a Warrior as a tank with just rooting the mob.

[Wrekt]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh it depends on the group. If you have someone in the group willing to root the mob each pull, then you don't really need that snap aggro from the hybrids and so a lot of the benefit of them versus a warrior goes away. Snaring ability is nice too, but other classes have that so it's not something you absolutely need a hybrid for. The only hybrid I would say is really worth the penalty is a Bard pre-level 29 when Enchanters finally get C and healer and caster downtime becomes drastically reduced. Otherwise, I'd rather have a Warrior as a tank with just rooting the mob.

This isn't even necessary. I usually pull on my warrior. Before bringing it in, I land a few rounds of attacks. Unless someone spams slows or nukes at 100%, I have no problems holding aggro.

Play hybrids in Velious or solo with them is all I'm saying. Use all that "utility" and solo.

I agree on the bard opinion. They're on another level of usefulness.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Wrekt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't even necessary. I usually pull on my warrior. Before bringing it in, I land a few rounds of attacks. Unless someone spams slows or nukes at 100%, I have no problems holding aggro.

Play hybrids in Velious or solo with them is all I'm saying. Use all that "utility" and solo.

I agree on the bard opinion. They're on another level of usefulness.

Well people can play how they want, whether that's group or solo, hybrids have the option.

If you have a hybrid tank you don't have to wait for a warrior to build agro, people can more immediately dps or slow etc.

[Wrekt]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well people can play how they want, whether that's group or solo, hybrids have the option.

If you have a hybrid tank you don't have to wait for a warrior to build agro, people can more immediately dps or slow etc.

Yep. And with warrior coefficients, there's no need to slow asap or blow the mob up before the dainty little HIE pally, that's encumbered by the weight of her armor alone, blows over with a gust of wind.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Wrekt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep. And with warrior coefficients, there's no need to slow asap or blow the mob up before the dainty little HIE pally, that's encumbered by the weight of her armor alone, blows over with a gust of wind.

All gear being equal the healer will use more mana per mob on the warrior even with the mitigation differences.

[gherron]

Originally Posted by solleks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good pickup groups are all about the idiot/normie/beard sliding scale. If a ranger wants to join your pug there is high likely hood of them being an idiot. It's not 100% but it's close.

Part of this issue, specifically for rangers at least, is the wiki for gear. Prioritizing STR, Dual Wield, and DEX is great for soloing but in groups you’ll just pull a lot of threat off the tank (and waste the healer’s mana keeping the ranger alive).

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by gherron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of this issue, specifically for rangers at least, is the wiki for gear. Prioritizing STR, Dual Wield, and DEX is great for soloing but in groups you’ll just pull a lot of threat off the tank (and waste the healer’s mana keeping the ranger alive).

Rangers stacking strength/dex will not be peeling off the tank with autoattacks unless they are doing something else like flame licking or casting early snares, or if the warrior has garbage weapons. In the first cast, the ranger just needs to wait longer before snaring (and to stop fucking casting flame lick in groups while not tanking).

If a difference in weapon quality is really causing the ranger to pull aggro, it is also solved by the ranger casting root and backing out to max melee range (or the tank getting their shit together and buying a decent weapon).

[Smellybuttface]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All gear being equal the healer will use more mana per mob on the warrior even with the mitigation differences.

Why would that be? Warrior’s have the best mitigation in the game. Paladin’s and SK’s aren’t decreasing the time spent killing the mob, only offering potentially faster aggro. That doesn’t have anything to do with who would be healed more. In fact, Warrior’s not only have higher mitigation, but higher DPS, equating to a faster kill on a mob. As a healer, there’s nothing that would cause the Warrior to take MORE damage than a hybrid, only multiple reasons why he would take less.

Root is an easy and accessible spell for multiple classes in EQ. Would absolutely prefer rooting a mob and let a Warrior tank it then punishing the group by accepting a 40+% exp penalty that’s chopped up across all members. Then of course the asshole that picks a Troll SK and gets butthurt over groups not bending over backwards to invite him.