"Need before greed"

[Wallicker]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well that's ironic and I don't need your plat. I like being poor and brain dead.

Fixed

[Shoji]

Originally Posted by Hazek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I hear you and i've passed on items that I couldn't equip plenty of times even though I could trade it for one I could use. And I agree that you should decide on the rules in the beginning and that it comes down to what the group chooses.

But I needed to make this thread because it always irked me when hypocrites invoke "need before greed" without understanding the reality that its not actually fair for others in the group.

And a smart person would realize that usually politics are more important than facts so if you have no authority then you're better off using idiots to your advantage by agreeing to their rules to prevent them from rolling instead of trying to educate them and getting kicked from the group.

Fair is subjective.

I hate the Tunnel.

I remember when I started EQ on an older established server, I fell into farming Aqua goblins to buy gear that dropped from content which I had never seen. I quickly became disenchanted with the idea and almost quit playing. Luckily a new server opened up, my wife and I moved over, and we had fun looting our gear during regular progression.

During that era developers were tackling problems with droppable loot marginalizing the availability of content for those it was intended for. Before instancing they introduced mechanics such as No Drop loot, in significant part to help alleviate this pressure.

In our guilds and our groups we always emphasized mains looting their upgrades during completion of the content it was earned within. For us it was more satisfying, positively encouraged teamwork and helped identify players with their mains.

On live for us "Greed" rolls almost always had negative connotations. P1999 is a different animal. Players spend a long time gearing up in a limited spectrum of content, often developing many alts. For some the charm is the tunnel. On the blue forums it seemed weighted towards "Greed" rolls as the popular choice. It makes sense when players identify less with a singular main character. On a new server it may be different for awhile.

We don't LFG, so not a big deal for us.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by Wallicker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What?? Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aDf...ature=youtu.be

[gnomishfirework]

If something is worth less than 1k, I prefer NBG< but once the monetary value rises I get greedy. If i like you though NBG all day even on something like a tstaff, though.

[Hazek]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If something is worth less than 1k, I prefer NBG< but once the monetary value rises I get greedy. If i like you though NBG all day even on something like a tstaff, though.

Wanting a fair roll on items you deserve isn't greedy though. Its greedy to expect people to give it to you (like the NBG system implies) just because you can immediately equip it while others would have to trade it. But that doesn't mean you cant be generous.

[Tilien]

If we assume that you are a decent level and can make 100 plat an hour farming easily... And it takes you 1 hour to sell the Jagger band for 150 plat...

You got 50 plat from looting the item.

The warrior who uses it saves himself spending 150 plat and has therefore made 150 plat from looting the item.

Therefore if you looting the item to sell means you value your 50 plat over the warrior's 150 plat. This is greedy.

#economics
(Hopefully no one takes this too serious)

[drdrakes]

Yeah all this "NBG" on green is not very EQ to me. Many camps only drop items for certain classes. When I was leveling I would often be grouped for hours watching people get 1000s of plat in words or something when most people in the group leave with maybe 20-50p, just as a for instance.

[Modwolf]

As a shaman on blue, tell me i can get NBG on my torpor. Please and thank you. #nevergonnahappen. Any NBG defender needs to go back to WoW.

[Grimgor]

It really depends on the camp. Some camps with multiple named mobs will have items for everyone and can support NBG rolls. Oher camps don't make sense to NBG unless you all know each other and are helping someone out.

[YendorLootmonkey]

NBG rolling is why after playing 8 years on Blue, I only have had a max of like 15K in the bank. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]