Enchanter charm isn't classic, we all know this

[Widan]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are no AA that improves charm. only AA improvements is damage avoidance / mitigation and mana pool, neither of which changes how charm works.

Total domination is an AA that improves charm duration. Its definitely noticable, but for reverse charm leveling nothing is ever charmed more than a minute or two anyways.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by korzax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So lets compare enc's in pop, when everyone knew they were op with quad damage mobs, and classic when everyone knew they were shitty at charm. Charm got better with AA's

My chanter charmed the fuck out of stuff in kunark, velious, and on, before and after AAs. It worked great, and I wasn't even very good at the game back then.

90% of p99 can't charm correctly today even with videos and guides all over. 9% who can do it well now didn't know how to 4-5 years ago. Dudes like Save were owning kunark solo before I even had a chanter.

My point is barely anyone even on p99 knew how to use charm to great effect for half of it's lifetime. And if barely anyone here knew how to use it well in 2014-2015, you can bet your ass nobody knew how to use it well in 1999-2001. It could have been better on live than it is here and people still wouldn't have used it because a few bads tried, and got killed by a break, and their groups all spread the word that charm is shit.

[korzax]

Yes, everyone was stupid. You're stupid for thinking that.

[fadetree]

Does anyone have any really old logs from this time period on live that have charm sessions recorded in it? If so, and you have enough, you can count up all the encounters in those logs and their duration, and start doing some math. You'll need to know the stats of chars, their levels, and the level of the mobs they are working with. Torven over at TAKP has done a ton of that kind of extensive log parsing.
Anyway, hard to do I know, but that would be one form of 'proof'.

[korzax]

Yeah, people that played an enc back then were obviously stupid, and never tried to charm things.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by korzax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, people that played an enc back then were obviously stupid, and never tried to charm things.

Its not very untrue, dude. Most of the chanters on p99 today didn't use charm heavily several years ago because most everyone thought it was too dangerous. And that was on p99 in 2010+.

Basically NOBODY knew how to use it correctly on live.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not very untrue, dude. Most of the chanters on p99 today didn't use charm heavily several years ago because most everyone thought it was too dangerous. And that was on p99 in 2010+.

Basically NOBODY knew how to use it correctly on live.

This may be entirely true, but we essentially will never know with absolute certainty, which is why I just accept the way things are.

One saving grace is that after Kunark things do get tougher and full traditional groups start to be more appealing to the general playerbase.

[nicemace]

i mean, as a caster back in the days. mob starts hitting you? what did you do? run in circles trying to stop getting hit.

what do you do now? not much cause you know you're not actually gonna die so you can mez / root / charm / whatever. that simple change of mentality 'oh i'm actually fine right now' allows you to do more 'risky' stuff.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its not very untrue, dude. Most of the chanters on p99 today didn't use charm heavily several years ago because most everyone thought it was too dangerous. And that was on p99 in 2010+.

Basically NOBODY knew how to use it correctly on live.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=80165

The Solo Artist Challenge thread dates to 2012, which means that the power of charm was well-known on P1999 prior to that. People had been abusing charm for years by the time Loraen codified that list.

Also, the fact that that thread is composed almost entirely of Enchanters or Shaman/Druids/Clerics with Puppet Strings is COMPLETELY COINCIDENTAL folks. No overpowered charm to see here!

[Izmael]

Haven't read the topic but back then nobody charmed because people were too scared of charm breaks and potential death.

Death was more of a problem back than it is today because:
- cleric epics were NOWHERE NEAR as prevalent
- travel was harder (no DAP / guild port bitches)
- everyone didn't have an alt 49+ cleric
- people weren't as knowledgeable about the game as they are today to make back the lost exp (res or not)

People just didn't generally bother with a lot of content unless they had the basic tank/healer/dps structure to work from.