Do pets currently take 50% of your exp?

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by senna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU are linking to an article that talks about how pets eat exp IN THE KUNARK ERA, BRO.

how about for step one we completely eliminate that article of yours from the evidence table? Sit down and link relevant shit from ACTUAL CLASSIC.

Okay, here's a test from a guy showing pets were eating half xp in November 1999.

11/30/99

I performed a test as Alasdair suggested to determine how much
experience pets take. For each test I rolled a new character, and
provided him with "Cavorting Bones" and a few bone chips. The test was
performed by battling only large rats at the North Qeynos gate area in
various configurations of player and pet. The player was armed only
with the standard dagger and no armor or clothing. The test counts the
number of rats it takes to get to level 2. All characters were rolled
with the following stats:
All Male, Human Necromancers.
STR 90
STA 80
AGI 75
DEX 90
WIS 75
INT 90
CHA 75

Test #1
Subject: Fridgemagnet
Conditions: No pet was used.
Number of kills until level 2: 10

Test #2
Subject: Jamrambler
Conditions: Pet was conjured, but instructed to sit and never attacked.
Number of kills until level 2: 10

Test #3
Subject: Soupgnasher
Conditions: Have pet do most damage (>50%). 1 4pt lifetap issued to
make sure rat does not kill pet.
Number of kills until level 2: 20
Notes: Pet issued 18/20 killing blows. (I had to step in on 2 occasions
to prevent pet from getting killed)

Test #4
Subject: Bubblegum
Conditions: Player did more damage than pet (>50%). Pet was told to
continually back off.
Number of kills until level 2: 10
Notes: Although backing off, pet managed to get in 5 killing blows.

Miscellaneous notes:
- In every test, an equal amount of experience was gained for each kill.

Conclusions:
- In test #4, as pet got in 5 killing blows and it did not effect how
much experience was gained, we can put the killing blow myth to rest.
- If pet issues more than 50% of the damage required to kill a mob, it
is given 50% of the experience, and the player is given the other 50%.
- If pet issues less than 50% of the damage required to kill a mob, the
player is given what appears to be ALL of the experience (perhaps the
<=1% party experience rule applies here... not way to tell).

Any comments? Anyone care to confirm these results? Any speculation as
to other race/class combos effecting experience distribution?

Roger

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Y/bb3GvXeOpl8J

I'll ask again. When did the nerf go in?

(There are lots more of these. Just search Google Groups for them, alt.games.everquest)

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay, here's a test from a guy showing pets were eating half xp in November 1999.



https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt....Y/bb3GvXeOpl8J

I'll ask again. When did the nerf go in?

(There are lots more of these. Just search Google Groups for them, alt.games.everquest)

Why bother. The people who want a selectively classic experience will use unverifiable evidence like that forum post to back up their claims, but then if someone tries to use contrary forum evidence of a similar nature it's "insufficient" because it's just hearsay.

I'm just accepting that people want selectively classic and will shoot down any evidence that doesn't support their agenda even if the evidence used is essentially of the same hearsay quality as the evidence they were using.

[Dolalin]

I'm bringing stuff to the table and you aren't. That's all I see.

Prove me wrong if I'm wrong. I want to know the truth.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm bringing stuff to the table and you aren't. That's all I see.

Prove me wrong if I'm wrong. I want to know the truth.

I'll use an argument the selectively classic clique have used on myself and others when presenting forum posts as evidence. It's hearsay. You have no proof that the poster didn't have an agenda/that they are telling the truth. You have no documented proof that that test actually was conducted and that the poster isn't just lying about it. Etc. etc. etc. These have been the types of arguments used against old forum posts when it doesn't fit the "I want classic, but anything that was classic that made things easier needs to be removed" agenda. So I think I'll just use them here now since they seem to work with respect to changes the selectively classic squad wants.

[strawman]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll use an argument the selectively classic clique have used on myself and others when presenting forum posts as evidence. It's hearsay. You have no proof that the poster didn't have an agenda/that they are telling the truth. You have no documented proof that that test actually was conducted and that the poster isn't just lying about it. Etc. etc. etc. These have been the types of arguments used against old forum posts when it doesn't fit the "I want classic, but anything that was classic that made things easier needs to be removed" agenda. So I think I'll just use them here now since they seem to work with respect to changes the selectively classic squad wants.

Are you retarded?

E: I can't actually believe what I'm seeing in this thread. We should dismiss this in-era forum post because the poster might have had an agenda, even though all the other posts we have agree with it? I don't have words to describe how stupid and dishonest that is

[Ligma]

Dolalin just completely owned you and you're still going on about him having an agenda.

Only fighting the process at this point.

[Dolalin]

Half of the mage research recipes were broken on Live from March to May, they are not broken here.

All research drops were 3x rarer than now.

Mage pets hit for less here than they should, but also cast spells, wield weapons, and dual wield, which they did not at launch.

Sword of Runes still has its proc here, even though it didn't get patched in until October 1999.

On the whole, I think mages are doing alright.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by strawman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you retarded?

E: I can't actually believe what I'm seeing in this thread. We should dismiss this in-era forum post because the poster might have had an agenda, even though all the other posts we have agree with it? I don't have words to describe how stupid and dishonest that is

I know right? Which is why I was surprised when that same argument was used against people providing evidence for various things that the selectively classic crew didn't like.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Half of the mage research recipes were broken on Live from March to May, they are not broken here.

All research drops were 3x rarer than now.

Mage pets hit for less here than they should, but also cast spells, wield weapons, and dual wield, which they did not at launch.

Sword of Runes still has its proc here, even though it didn't get patched in until October 1999.

On the whole, I think mages are doing alright.

Show me évidence of drop rate? You don’t even Know what it is right now

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Show me évidence of drop rate? You don’t even Know what it is right now

Are you that guy who couldn't understand how percentages work? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The drop rates for research stuff are taken right from Magelo. It's usually ~2% per item:

https://eq.magelo.com/item/11804#dropped

Anyways here's the bug thread with GZ source.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=336029