your hopes for red99 2.0

[Sporkotron]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't remember any problems on RZ on live. I recall it was flawless and perfect and the best ever.

Please fill me in, I'm pretty sure no rose colored glasses here.

Jibartik I dunno, I am pretty sure EQ pvp does work, but it really does need more balance between murderer players and non murderer players. Its really not all about the fighting.

If all the best chances of server success keep going to blue now green then red will always have a tough time.

Best time for relaunch of a big red server would be when green goes velious or after its velious for a while. Its hard to imagine pulling anyone away from the current progression for a full red timeline / era server.

But I dunno, 2600 pop for green impressed me. Maybe there is 1000 people who would play red which would be enough. Teams is worth trying, or discord. Who has the time for discord though. Even on live that was beaten fast and then the game was basically done. It was bad ass though.

I dunno I am now in the camp where I just don't care what they do as long as they give red a fresh start.

What incentive does a non murderer have to play on a PVP. Seems like the only benefit red has is you can grief people more directly and as such only people focused on griefing others choose to play it.

you’re pretty much asking for non pvpers to play so that it wont just be the normal pvp psychos running around murdering people. while ignoring that the normal pvp psycho are exactly why nobody plays on red.

red will never work because the people who want red to be successful are also the people who are going to grief everyone off the server. that’s who pvpers are, that’s what they do.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Sporkotron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What incentive does a non murderer have to play on a PVP. Seems like the only benefit red has is you can grief people more directly and as such only people focused on griefing others choose to play it.

you’re pretty much asking for non pvpers to play so that it wont just be the normal pvp psychos running around murdering people. while ignoring that the normal pvp psycho are exactly why nobody plays on red.

red will never work because the people who want red to be successful are also the people who are going to grief everyone off the server. that’s who pvpers are, that’s what they do.

That isn't the case. I just like being able to deal with people and have people be nice to me and be friendly instead of total dickwads because they know they have a camp and can tell me to eat dirt, or tell me and a whole group to eat dirt. On blue you had cash camps permanently camped by people who were all super super super mean. On red these guys actually had to act like human beings to minimize the disruptions that happened to their cash camps.

Most importantly the game is endlessly deeper when PVP is a consideration. What items you wear how you buff yourself the clickies you carry and manage, what class you're playing and where you go.

On blue you just roll up and kill some mobs and nothing matters except trying to find a sick cash camp.

[Danger]

So, Jib thinks a discord server where players are literally purged off the server works but sustained pvp don't work because it's a "purge simulator" and player vs player combat has a sense of competition i.e. leader board, when we have a whole achievement mechanic implemented into green.

brainlet analysis.

Teams brings a sense of community and zone ownership as well as built in alliances needed to sustain both the bleeding edge raiders and more casual players, potentially moreso than a pve server. If you're a high end gnome raider it behoves you to make sure those newbie gnomes in crushbone grow up big and strong and the ogre stay out of unrest. it's a compromise between the hardcore pvpers and people who want the added challenge and excitement of EQ pvp with today's more casual player. Most of us who were nuking scrubs on RZ have kids and wives now and the virtue of being say 35 and not 15. If you're a guildless nobody getting griefed at least you can get your fellow Dwarves (or whatever) to help you fend off the group of Humans (or whatever) outside of mistmoore.

[Gustoo]

Maybs.

I think a full rallos replica that is vanilla locked until server pop exceeds some number (after x quantity of days)

And allow server cross trading through official verified means. That way people don't feel like their money is stuck on bad investment. Red had tons more activity when server cross trading was allowed. When I was buying my manastone I found a dude who wanted blue plat for it. I had to dust off my old blue EC tunnel boots and hustle it up.

We all want our servers to be permanent and permanently good. I think staff has surprises in store to make blue worthwhile even today, though of the 3 I can see least reason to play it.

The point is to give people a reason to try PVP. We all know that only like 1/10 pop was ever pvp enabled in live. So we actually did pretty good ratio wise red to blue during the better times of red.

Maybe after green runs its course people will be ready for eq +

[Gustoo]

Just imagine living in a world where who is in a zone with you actually matters.

Basically the game is to easy without it. Too many mechanics are insignificant. Thats why its hard for people to go back. You get in game and you love the game but the more time you spend the more you realize you're slaughtering 20 year old AI to make yourself stronger in order to fight other 20 year old AI in order to? have better pixels on your character.

Its just not enough. I'm a cleric. I don't kill people. I prefer to live in a world where I can be killed and where I have to be vigilant. Its not just harder, its better. Its more rewarding and there is more to do and more to care about, more items that matter. Its a better game.

[Danger]

Imho Vex's analysis more well thought our than gustoos on this issue

[Gustoo]

unlimited level range does this as stated by Vex and I agree

1. It nerfs low level twinks (GOOD THING)
2. Its nerfs low level game play (BAD THING)

To me #2 outweighs #1

I really like low level game play. Most content in vanilla is low level. I do not want to have to rush to maximum level so that I can be a real man. I like that there are different level ranges where different classes are more or less powerful than one another. With unlimited PVP range, none of that matters.

To me that is a loss. The game ends up being STACKED at level 60 no matter what. Everyone wants to kill the dragons. This negates the low level PK griefer even with a normal pvp range.

What you end up doing is destroying 1 gameplay element for basically no benefit.

[Jimjam]

I remember on SZ i had a sk in warrens. Occasionally an apache helicopter would just fly in and gatling gun me to death and that was play time over for the day unless i wanted to be griefed on a string of CRs.

[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember on SZ i had a sk in warrens. Occasionally an apache helichopter would just fly in and gatling gun me to death and that was play time over for the day unless i wanted to be griefed on a string of CRs.

lol good true story pretty cool.

[Gustoo]

I will concede that on a piece of shit non item loot server, you might as well have fully unlimited pvp, with teams since low level PVP without item loot is complete garbage anyways.