I swear the server is filled with three year olds

[indiscriminate_hater]

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[loramin]

Originally Posted by Sacer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "GM included part" is there because different GMs can have a different ruling that's how obscure those rules are, I am not blaming the GM they do a great job overall, and no you cannot find a definitive answer from those links you gave.

Like the Frenzy camp in velk some people consider it 4 differents camp, some just 1 camp, for some it's 3 camps, almost everyone got a different opinion on that one and I'm pretty sure it's the same for the GMs.

Ah, I understand now. Absolutely.

The camp rules may say zone X is a dungeon and thus can have "camps" of multiple mobs, and it will even say that usually a camp is defined as a group of mobs in line of sight of each other, but not in line of sight of other mobs ... but even so they don't say the specific exceptions to that "usually", nor do they say where where any given camp starts/stops (except for the specific cases they've ruled on in the forums, which are listed on the Camp Rules page). That's entirely up to the individual GM.

And just as (more?) importantly, what if you forget that the staff is volunteering their time to let you have conflict resolution in your free video game, and you're rude to the staff? It won't matter how good of a rules lawyer you are or how certain you are that you followed the rules to the letter: you'll get what the GM feels you deserve, and it probably won't be good.

[Nuggie]

Loramin, what is your retainer? Going to need a say camp rule lawyer about 2 weeks into Green at EE camp.

[Valakut]

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are all three ice giants a single camp making me the asshole here? Or is the single spawn a separate camp and Fragmented is in the wrong?

"Actually this is an outdoor zone. So, FTE rules normally apply. However, you are allowed to claim a single spawn point as a camp in outdoor zones." - Andakos

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Time to flush out the ice giant camp

[Qtip]

Originally Posted by Valakut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Actually this is an outdoor zone. So, FTE rules normally apply. However, you are allowed to claim a single spawn point as a camp in outdoor zones." - Andakos

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Time to flush out the ice giant camp

That would mean every goblin in highkeep are multiple camps, Ec orcs are multiple camps, BB docks are multiple camps, spectres in oasis are multiple camps.

A camp should defined as being able to keep all mobs down before repops.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Qtip [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A camp should defined as being able to keep all mobs down before repops.

I disagree, and it basically comes down to whether you think people on a MMO server should have to share with each other or not.

Take a camp like A4 in PoM (one of the only sources of thrones). One player can hold down four rooms of mobs (five mobs total), even though they all have a million hit points, because PoM has a 72 min respawn timer.

But at the same time, up to four people could also share that same camp. The server rules decide which situation is better: four people sharing one room each, or one player getting all the rooms and three other players not having.

I think the staff made the correct choice in how they setup the rules here: I think four people sharing is better than three people sitting there doing nothing while one greedy person keeps everything for themself.

[Wonkie]

guys lay off OP he might just be very stupid so it's problematic to pick on him

[Lordgordon]

If there were 6 elfs there would you have to take turns?

[hotkarlmarxbros]

Eh, like I said, though the mob was dead, the camp was empty when I arrived. I have no way of knowing who killed the mob unless they show up to say it was them that killed it. Should he have shown up at any point to claim that as his camp, as I have said, I would have no problem conceding the camp. But he didn’t. He showed up with a REEEE stating that all three mobs were his and I “stole” the mob that popped and died prior to him ever even making it back to the camp to “maintain” it anyway.

Now I’m a relatively new player, but to me him saying that he is “totally” sure that all three giants are one camp and to ks the next two mobs at the camp feels a lot like everyone here is siding with a bully. And clearly he is an older player and knows the rules surrounding what constitutes a camp and deliberately misled me in an effort to chase me off. If that is the sort of behavior you feel comfortable interacting with and encouraging, then great, enjoy it, there is plenty to go around here as it seems to be totally unchecked.

Lesson learned on my part, though. Next time I will /ooc that I am taking a camp so that we can see the childish tantrum prior to me killing the mob at a vacant camp rather than afterwards.

[loramin]

So first off, I don't mean to dogpile on you. Not every new player reads the play nice policies and commits them to memory. People make mistakes, and as long as no harm was intended and they learn from their mistake ... no harm no foul.

But I want to point something out about:

Originally Posted by hotkarlmarxbros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

though the mob was dead, the camp was empty when I arrived. I have no way of knowing who killed the mob unless they show up to say it was them that killed it.

Very few mobs (like the famous Sarnak Courier or Fippy Darkpaw) commit suicide. Less than 0.01% of the named mobs on the server I'd guess.

So by definition, if you see a mob not up, that has to mean the mob was killed by another player. And if you do read the Play Nice Policies, it's clear that (emphasis added):

In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested ...

So, ignorance of the server rules is a reasonable excuse, but once you're aware of them there should be zero confusion: if a mob isn't up when you arrive, and you are not alone in the zone, that mob isn't your's.