Rooted Dragons and FTE foot races. Failed experiments

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the perspective of a small guild person: what Zanderr said + the guild(s?) that set up the "entrance to tier" gatekeeper mobs were big enough to justify being in the Class C group, but didn't want to compete. So they could lord over the small guilds.

If by "didn't want to compete", you mean didn't want their members to be tethered to a batphone all waking hours of the day and participate in petitionquest bullshit with a legion of elf lawyers on retainer, then yes... BDA did not want to "compete." Nor did our Vesica Dei before them. After all, that level of "competition" got our guildleader's RL photo posted all over RNF here by an embedded mole and ran her off, destroying our guild on P99. Just what the "competition" wanted. Healthy "competition", huh? So no, "competing" in Class C had nothing to do with being able to throw down with IB and TMO... it had more to do about avoiding that level of sociopathic neckbeard nonsense.

The gatekeeping wouldn't have been needed if the smaller guilds hadn't insisted on having their own individual slots in the rotation despite not being able to field the force necessary to kill the mob.

All it would have took was Guild A (i'm not going to call out guilds) saying "Okay, lets be fair... we have to call in help for our targets, so we should have a combined slot with that guild, or we shouldn't be in the rotation for this tier of raid targets."

Or are you asserting that a guild shouldn't have to be able to kill the raid targets on their own to be in the rotation for that raid target? Please don't tell me that's the sword you're planning to fall on...

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If by "didn't want to compete", you mean didn't want their members to be tethered to a batphone all waking hours of the day and participate in petitionquest bullshit with a legion of elf lawyers on retainer, then yes... BDA did not want to "compete." Nor did our Vesica Dei before them. After all, that level of "competition" got our guildleader's RL photo posted all over RNF here by an embedded mole and ran her off, destroying our guild on P99. Just what the "competition" wanted. Healthy "competition", huh? So no, "competing" in Class C had nothing to do with being able to throw down with IB and TMO... it had more to do about avoiding that level of sociopathic neckbeard nonsense.

The gatekeeping wouldn't have been needed if the smaller guilds hadn't insisted on having their own individual slots in the rotation despite not being able to field the force necessary to kill the mob.

All it would have took was Guild A (i'm not going to call out guilds) saying "Okay, lets be fair... we have to call in help for our targets, so we should have a combined slot with that guild, or we shouldn't be in the rotation for this tier of raid targets."

Or are you asserting that a guild shouldn't have to be able to kill the raid targets on their own to be in the rotation for that raid target? Please don't tell me that's the sword you're planning to fall on...

The problem with the bolded statement is the fundamental difference in view that larger guilds believed smaller guilds should share a rotation slot with another guild for "every single" mob. If the A-Team needed to group up with Azure Guard to kill Gorenaire, we would be required to kill Maestro of Rancor or any other raid encounter with Azure Guard as well, even though those are extremely different levels of difficulty of encounter.

I think things would have worked better if guilds could just have just been chosen to share rotation slot for one mob but not others, or heck even be removed from the rotation on some mobs like Gorenarie that are harder to kill. This would have still given larger guilds more loot overall.

However, due to arbitrary large-guild made rules, Gorenaire became the gatekeeper mob that "had" to be beaten by smaller guilds in order for them to be "allowed" to raid every single other mob that dropped an epic piece, so guilds were forced to do Gorenaire even if they didn't want to. Larger guilds *knew* this would more likely cause smaller guilds to fail out of the rotation because they couldn't field a force for Gorenaire at all hours of the day.

Having access to the "secret" Class R forums was pretty interesting. I definitely screenshotted a lot of interesting threads/posts there before the website was taken down as the Class R rotation was imploding.

[Mblake81]

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[Dolalin]

ToV is endgame content. It should be difficult and require a lot of coordination with other people, and maybe even.. some non-AFK effort.

Pulls to zoneline were completely ridiculous and correlated to exactly 0 people's experiences of classic Velious raiding. It was an abomination.

ToV clears used to take most of an evening and require a 50-80 man raid force. Shit's classic. Deal.

[Mblake81]

er, I did download The Dark Mod. I have been waiting to give it a try but everytime I play something its P99 when I have the time set aside to do it.

They set it in an alter world which bummed me out a bit, I guess that is how they bypassed the red tape nonsense. I do wonder where hardware accelerated sound design would be by now if Creative Labs and Vista hadn't killed it.

[azeth]

I actually can't believe people preferred pulling to the zone line or LTK exit. I really can't believe it.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually can't believe people preferred pulling to the zone line or LTK exit. I really can't believe it.

^^^

[rezzie]

I loved pulling dragons. I also like crawling. One is more effort, but both are fun.

[Daldaen]

I can offer my services as a rotation designer for a discount to my P99 pals.

Hit me up and I’ll craft you an amazing rotation for optimal immersion.

[Dugface]

What are the current rules for the Tunare and Ring War rotations, out of interest? Seems to be working alright?