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Old 04-23-2019, 03:17 PM
Arcler Arcler is offline
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I don't think people have the same definition of leapfrogging.

Two entities attempting to clear to a target -- with one engaging target + 2/3 guards/trash mobs before the other one does is not really a leapfrog. That's a race.
Just like in Plane of Fear - when guilds are all trying to clear trash, and then engaging CT before anyone else can. That's a race.

It's different if you let another entity spend an hour clearing fear and then run in and engage CT right before they were about to engage after they cleared the rest of the zone. That's a leapfrog.

Or let someone else clear all the trash in PoG, and then rush in to engage Tunare before they can. That's a leapfrog.

So, two forces both moving and clearing to a target, both attempting to figure out how to engage the target with potential adds and how to do it as fast as possible (and before the other team). That's a race.

But you know, when another entity clears every trash mob between safe spot and the dragon, including his guards and then another guild rushes in -- well, that's pretty froggy.

You have to be pretty entitled to assume that everything is yours and so anytime someone else engages first they must be leapfrogging you, rather then, y'know, an actual leapfrog where you let someone clear every other mob so you can have a fresh and clean engage.

Also, for the record, the Kreizenn attempt wasn't 4 guilds, but 3 (PS was not a part of it) and the 3-guild force still had a lot less people (total) then the AM force.

Centralized (one guild) and decentralized (multiple guilds) command structures and operations both have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on the situation, one will do better then the other, and vice-versa.
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Old 04-23-2019, 03:25 PM
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PS does know they are the side bitch right? You'll get replaced like BG soon enough.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:45 PM
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PS does know they are the side bitch right? You'll get replaced like BG soon enough.
Someone would think you were TMO/Forsaken founder by the way you wave the banner, but weren't you a kitten a few months ago?

I know you were in Rustle. You're named after an emo bitch-baby who was in PS (we're good at screening out the sociopaths but not perfect) prior to him joining Rustle, so I presume created after that? As a joke?

Where I'm going with this is that you probably shouldn't be beating your chest the hardest and talking the most shit when you're a rookie buried on the depth chart. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Old 04-23-2019, 04:47 PM
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Someone would think you were TMO/Forsaken founder by the way you wave the banner, but weren't you a kitten a few months ago?

I know you were in Rustle. You're named after an emo bitch-baby who was in PS (we're good at screening out the sociopaths but not perfect) prior to him joining Rustle, so I presume created after that? As a joke?

Where I'm going with this is that you probably shouldn't be beating your chest the hardest and talking the most shit when you're a rookie buried on the depth chart. You're embarrassing yourself.
ripqozko was named after bowdamagelol was deeped not a good name by GM. Its an alt to my main Ramen. i dont think im anything but i play mage decent.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:22 PM
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Someone would think you were TMO/Forsaken founder by the way you wave the banner, but weren't you a kitten a few months ago?

I know you were in Rustle. You're named after an emo bitch-baby who was in PS (we're good at screening out the sociopaths but not perfect) prior to him joining Rustle, so I presume created after that? As a joke?

Where I'm going with this is that you probably shouldn't be beating your chest the hardest and talking the most shit when you're a rookie buried on the depth chart. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Old 04-23-2019, 03:58 PM
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I don't think people have the same definition of leapfrogging.

Two entities attempting to clear to a target -- with one engaging target + 2/3 guards/trash mobs before the other one does is not really a leapfrog. That's a race.
Just like in Plane of Fear - when guilds are all trying to clear trash, and then engaging CT before anyone else can. That's a race.

It's different if you let another entity spend an hour clearing fear and then run in and engage CT right before they were about to engage after they cleared the rest of the zone. That's a leapfrog.

Or let someone else clear all the trash in PoG, and then rush in to engage Tunare before they can. That's a leapfrog.

So, two forces both moving and clearing to a target, both attempting to figure out how to engage the target with potential adds and how to do it as fast as possible (and before the other team). That's a race.

But you know, when another entity clears every trash mob between safe spot and the dragon, including his guards and then another guild rushes in -- well, that's pretty froggy.

You have to be pretty entitled to assume that everything is yours and so anytime someone else engages first they must be leapfrogging you, rather then, y'know, an actual leapfrog where you let someone clear every other mob so you can have a fresh and clean engage.

Also, for the record, the Kreizenn attempt wasn't 4 guilds, but 3 (PS was not a part of it) and the 3-guild force still had a lot less people (total) then the AM force.

Centralized (one guild) and decentralized (multiple guilds) command structures and operations both have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on the situation, one will do better then the other, and vice-versa.
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P99ers do a lot of things well. Handling surprise adds / splitting up focus is not one of them. Mostly because the classes that do that the best (SK/Paladins) are generally trashed and considered useless, and because pulls are considered failures if a dragons doesn't appear at the zone line solo.
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Old 04-24-2019, 10:30 AM
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I don't think people have the same definition of leapfrogging.

Two entities attempting to clear to a target -- with one engaging target + 2/3 guards/trash mobs before the other one does is not really a leapfrog. That's a race.
Just like in Plane of Fear - when guilds are all trying to clear trash, and then engaging CT before anyone else can. That's a race.

It's different if you let another entity spend an hour clearing fear and then run in and engage CT right before they were about to engage after they cleared the rest of the zone. That's a leapfrog.

Or let someone else clear all the trash in PoG, and then rush in to engage Tunare before they can. That's a leapfrog.

So, two forces both moving and clearing to a target, both attempting to figure out how to engage the target with potential adds and how to do it as fast as possible (and before the other team). That's a race.

But you know, when another entity clears every trash mob between safe spot and the dragon, including his guards and then another guild rushes in -- well, that's pretty froggy.

You have to be pretty entitled to assume that everything is yours and so anytime someone else engages first they must be leapfrogging you, rather then, y'know, an actual leapfrog where you let someone clear every other mob so you can have a fresh and clean engage.

Also, for the record, the Kreizenn attempt wasn't 4 guilds, but 3 (PS was not a part of it) and the 3-guild force still had a lot less people (total) then the AM force.

Centralized (one guild) and decentralized (multiple guilds) command structures and operations both have their advantages and disadvantages. Depending on the situation, one will do better then the other, and vice-versa.
*Clap*

I've typically respected what the leadership of AM has built on p99, as I'm sure once upon a time THEY were the underdog. The statue mobilization and FTE was pretty amazing to watch, but that Dagarn leapfrop was a disappointing move.

yeah, yeah,... nobody cares.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:40 PM
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*Clap*

I've typically respected what the leadership of AM has built on p99, as I'm sure once upon a time THEY were the underdog. The statue mobilization and FTE was pretty amazing to watch, but that Dagarn leapfrop was a disappointing move.

yeah, yeah,... nobody cares.
Detoxx was a zergling for as long as I can remember , I used to corpse camp him in VP. Now he has 200 cucks who can press 1 button.
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:05 PM
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Detoxx was a zergling for as long as I can remember , I used to corpse camp him in VP. Now he has 200 cucks who can press 1 button.
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