Drusella Player Agreement?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by elwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As much as I am a proponent of rolls for clickfest, a roll for drusela is one of the dumbest idea that I have ever heard...

Its pretty dumb you can kill non-phs for a mob and consider that giving you the right to the mob as well.

If you spawned a named by killing its PHs thats a sign you are camping it as the named mob wouldnt have appeared without the act of you clearing aka camping the placeholder.

However when a mob will spawn on its own requiring no placeholders to be camped and cleared then your only putting yourself in good position to engage the mob first but nothing the player did up until that point had any relevance to the mob itself spawning. Sounds like FTE to me...

[Peener]

Had a question about Drusella.

Verina Tomb in Neriak doesn't have any PH's. Like Drusella, she's pops in a room with her own spawn timer. Afaik you can't claim Verina as 'camped' just by killing guards in the rooms around her.

Could someone clarify why Drusella is considered a camp and Verina isn't?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Peener [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Had a question about Drusella.

Verina Tomb in Neriak doesn't have any PH's. Like Drusella, she's pops in a room with her own spawn timer. Afaik you can't claim Verina as 'camped' just by killing guards in the rooms around her.

Could someone clarify why Drusella is considered a camp and Verina isn't?

Yep this is what I just brought up in the post above. Should be FTE like other things that spawn on their own.

[Magerin]

The problem with your idea of "random 1 min before spawn" is that you dont need any progression to run in and roll. You'll get every casual and their alts showing up worse than Scout roll. 100HP items will bring out all that's bad about the open /ran system. That mob was gonna be the major bottle neck, I knew that the moment I looked at the quest...you should have seen this coming too. Give it some will power and you'll find it open one of these days. Kelza gets there way too early anyways. Most people wont take that camp as seriously as he will be for the foreseeable future.

[Magerin]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep this is what I just brought up in the post above. Should be FTE like other things that spawn on their own.

FTEing the mob would again give people with Autofire and low latency another huge advantage. The idea of agreements is to limit the "who has a better connection and uses autofire" game. Also, no FTE, therefore its a camp, not a raid mob open for FTEing.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Magerin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTEing the mob would again give people with Autofire and low latency another huge advantage. The idea of agreements is to limit the "who has a better connection and uses autofire" game. Also, no FTE, therefore its a camp, not a raid mob open for FTEing.

So its not just raid mobs that fall under FTE, every noob yard basically operates under “FTE” rules and many other examples. And just because you feel FTE is “unfair” doesnt mean you redefine what camping a mob even is.

Its also pretty crazy people rather see this camped for 10+ hours when there is 0 variance and the spawn rights can be handled pre pop with who is there.

[Moerne]

ToV windows open tomorrow and Kelz will be busy socking FTE’s. Why not just wait and move in then.

[Peener]

Its also pretty crazy people rather see this camped for 10+ hours when there is 0 variance and the spawn rights can be handled pre pop with who is there.

Agreed.

FTEing the mob would again give people with Autofire and low latency another huge advantage. The idea of agreements is to limit the "who has a better connection and uses autofire" game. Also, no FTE, therefore its a camp, not a raid mob open for FTEing.

This doesn't answer my question about why this particular spawn is a camp and others like it are not.

[Magerin]

The general guideline that makes DS a camp is the fact that it's in a room with 7 other spawns, doesn't have a 100% drop rate on her loot, no turn in is required. From all major indicators of this mob/camp nothing about it even hints that it's even intended to be a raid mob. Its got a fixed spawn duration, no yellow text, not in a raid zone, can be solo'd, duo'd, grouped. . . Only reason the push for FTE rules is to fast track peoples way to an 100HP item without having to camp it.

I very much disagree with this bully tactic to change this rule set to suit people with better connections who use autofire. I speak as someone who doesnt have the type of connection that would allow me to ever win they type of camp, nor do i resort to that type of game play to win. If they move DS to a raid zone, give her yellow text and add a window, sure, lets fte rule it, but you cant be past zone line when she spawns or your DQ'd. Since that isnt happening, a camp she shall remain.

[Magerin]

Originally Posted by Peener [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This doesn't answer my question about why this particular spawn is a camp and others like it are not.

Give me an example mob thats not in a raid zone, no yellow text, no variance, surrounded by exp mobs so we have someone to compare it to. Soulfire mob is the closest thing we have to DS, and people respect that as a camp now. The same respect should be given to DS as she is more difficult to hold down solo.