Are you mortified about President Donald J. Trump?

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now we’re getting into the Tao Te Ching! Is it not the empty space in a house that makes it useful?

its the person.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Illegal immigrants coming here is committing a crime against you. They are stealing from you, your family and your children. We only have so much resources in America and we have a lot of people struggling. We need to take care of our people first. Not people who want to steal from us. They aren’t coming and asking for help. They are coming in and stealing resources. Furthermore there are elites weaponizing these illegal immigrants. We need to fight back.

Every illegal that settles in America is a biological and economic time bomb that gets worse over time as they breed. Read up the average cost of an illegal in their life time. You want to get on my case for being upset about this?

Read up on the average cost of a rural obese opiate-addicted midwestern trump-supporting redneck that California New York and Texas have to pay for

[Cecily]

I actually read American’s millienials are killing the breeding industry. The way our society works, less people are having kids and fewer of them. Like what’s happened with Japan. Unlike Japan, we have a steady flow of population coming in from other countries which would likely sustain our future population. The face of America might look a little browner over time, but that’s better than slowly dying out isn’t it? Or would you rather America burn before whites become a minority?

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Hmm, the peasants are angry about all the illegals who came in during Clinton and Bush Jr's terms, and they are all fired up for reform"

"We want to harness this fervor for votes but we don't actually want to do anything about this issue because cheap labor lines our pockets, and we don't have to live next to them. I know, instead of taking $100's of billions in losses in wage increases and US agriculture no longer being priced competitively, let's pledge $5 billion for a huge symbolic nothing that will make it look like we are addressing this issue, but in actuality, will do nothing."

fair enough.

If the top wanted it there wouldn't even be a debate. We nothing but <Warm Bodies> and some of them complain less than the other.

[America]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually read American’s millienials are killing the breeding industry. The way our society works, less people are having kids and fewer of them. Like what’s happened with Japan. Unlike Japan, we have a steady flow of population coming in from other countries which would likely sustain our future population. The face of America might look a little browner over time, but that’s better than slowly dying out isn’t it? Or would you rather America burn before whites become a minority?

It's not a volume game anymore within 40 years. By engaging a little prescience we can keep things aesthetically and stability-wise much better. A prettier country where less people die to chaos and cannibal attacks.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read up on the average cost of a rural obese opiate-addicted midwestern trump-supporting redneck that California New York and Texas have to pay for

No one is interested in your porn fetishes.

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually read American’s millienials are killing the breeding industry. The way our society works, less people are having kids and fewer of them. Like what’s happened with Japan. Unlike Japan, we have a steady flow of population coming in from other countries which would likely sustain our future population. The face of America might look a little browner over time, but that’s better than slowly dying out isn’t it? Or would you rather America burn before whites become a minority?

Better to burn out then fade away.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Better to burn out then fade away.

Excellent clip lol. Thank you.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read up on the average cost of a rural obese opiate-addicted midwestern trump-supporting redneck that California New York and Texas have to pay for

Those are the American's we should be helping. Our downtrodden who were dealt a bad hand. We have a responsibility to them as they are our own citizens who are suffering.

Imagine trying to justify feeding a dog before your own sick and starving child.

What's the overall point of your post? The most I could figure out is that you have hatred for white middle america that uses welfare and are justifying an open border position off of it? Is your point anything beyond "Well middle american legal citizens use welfare for help so we should just pay for anyone and everyone who wants to walk into our country".

We don't have the funds to save the world. We can't even find 5 billion dollars to build a fucking border wall. How are we going to take of the world when we can't find the cash for that even?

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The left wing as a whole is open borders. Only establishment right wing is open border. You know who open borders serves? Billionaires who exploit illegal foreign labor. That’s who you are supporting.

Want to know why our lower and middle class hasn’t seen a real wage increase when adjusted for inflation in roughly 30 years? Open border people enable a non stop flow of low class workers that drives down wages continuously. All the crime and shitting up our emergency rooms for us to pay for is just extra window dressing for us to enjoy.

Now explain to us how we are enabling billionaires when we fight against this and you support it.

You're making multiple points, trying to combine them, and doing so poorly.

The complete answer would be tl;dr. So a few points:

I'm not for open borders. No one, statistically, is for "open borders". Knowing a sea-to-sea wall (that Mexico was supposed to pay for) is a waste of money =/= being for open borders.

Read what Rep. Will Hurd says about the border wall. He's a former CIA agent and Republican congressman. Or as Fox News calls him because he tries to inject reason into the emotional racist dogwhistle issue, a liberal....

Walls work in some areas where urban areas brush up to urban areas and where border agents can respond quickly. We already have a lot of those sections. I'm for more walls in those types of areas if truly needed, but putting a wall in the middle of Big Bend National Park just to placate the simpletons who support a simpleton President is a terrible idea.

Some corporations (those that employ low-skill workers) certainly love dodging our laws on illegals. You're kinda making that point, so on this we agree. The way to fix it is eVerify, aggressive investigation, wallet-crushing fines, and criminal prosecution for violations as well as rewards for whistleblowers.

As for your point on wages, skips over a lot of factors. Has less to do with immigration than other issues.