NET NUTRALITY REPEAL CELEBRATION THREAD

[Rader]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh well, holy shit. Looks like the little guy instantly gets hosed. Don't think this won't affect you. The first site that will go to shit is probably this one I might add. They don't like these kinds of cross-party pleb conversations going on. Which happens on a lot of these irrelevant hobby forums.

Fox made some BIG changes instantly though. Murdoc wants to secure his position (for his kids at this point) as the arbiter of all conservative news. Even local radio.

The clutches are getting real my friends. But as this article points out. They will be on good behavior at first. They are just slowly lining the tip up...and then they'll kind of message it in before we get full on shafted.

Sounds like someone already self-applied the lube.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To grasp true Marxism -- Is to realize that the ruling class is constantly maintaining it's existence at the expense of the ruled. That's essentially the lens. The purpose of the State is to serve the ruling class.

So the FCC is corrupt. Big deal. The FCC was making sure that Comcast couldn't decide to deliver shitty service to data they didn't like. That's basically it. Google agreed that in the long run this was best. This was the real issue with NN.

Most people don't want the internet controlled. If I want to start a website about Marxist radical action -- Comcast shouldn't be able to decide I have a violent website and turn the gas off. The government should have to send police in -- with warrants -- charge me with a crime, and then shut down my website until the legal matter is settled (permanently if convicted).

I don't like the idea of Comcast making some cheap-ass package all poor people get -- and then load it with a bunch of propaganda. I know that's what their thinking. We'll let everyone see what we want them to see for practically free -- and then we will charge for true internet freedom to keep the plebs out.

The point of this rambling is, WTF about giving complete control to Comcast is in anyway better then the FCC making sure all data downloads at the same rate? You gave data control to a fucking private corporation you cretins...and waving some bullshit flag of Libertarianism.

I have a feeling there will be greater control over what goes viral now, over who sees what...otherwise the elites wouldn't let this happen. The purpose of the State is to serve the ruling class. The ruling class is no longer served by NN. Almost certainly, NN is the interest of commoners and against the interest of the rulers.

Edit: also

was a good comment.

its because we didn't have net neutrality for 30 years and isp's never censored anything without a court order

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the free market handled it just fine for what like 3 decades, back before all the reddit normies like you invaded this place

versus two years with obamas law where the amount of isp's shrunk significantly connection speeds went down and sub costs went up.

real goog

why is someone who doesn't even live in the usa posting about net neutrality lol. you can go to hard prison for posting a jpg of an auschwitz memorial why would we want to take a cuck ass european who doesn't even have basic freedom of speech.

yah lets go back to 30 years ago where doing anything over the internet was extremely rare and life was much better. Just go to blockbuster for movies. Or maybe even just 20 years ago when people actually thought that phone line internet speeds could compete with cable speeds. Wow 56k so fast. Or maybe even 10 years ago when different telecoms were throttling different services because they didn't like them. "Free market" so much better in the past wow what kinda drugs reddit normies using.

Once we undo the chains caused by net neutrality surely the ISP's like verizon and comcast are going to upgrade their networks, start competing with each other in more rural markets, and start giving us faster speeds and better service. God bless the free market.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Originally Posted by Xaanka

We didn't have net neutrality for years and everything wuz fine!!!1

Because ISPs were classified, alongside other telecoms, as "common carriers", which follow net neutrality, since 1934.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...ns_Act_of_1934

Then Verizon sued the FCC in 2014, freeing them from this regulation, and forcing NN to be regulated more explicitly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizo..._v._FCC_(2014))

Basic research is hard.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yah lets go back to 30 years ago where doing anything over the internet was extremely rare and life was much better. Just go to blockbuster for movies. Or maybe even just 20 years ago when people actually thought that phone line internet speeds could compete with cable speeds. Wow 56k so fast. Or maybe even 10 years ago when different telecoms were throttling different services because they didn't like them. "Free market" so much better in the past wow what kinda drugs reddit normies using.

Once we undo the chains caused by net neutrality surely the ISP's like verizon and comcast are going to upgrade their networks, start competing with each other in more rural markets, and start giving us faster speeds and better service. God bless the free market.

or 3 years ago when your internet connection cost $30 instead of $70 and the telco's weren't totally monopolized

also if you think 2017 internet is better than 2007 internet you're part of the problem (reddit normie get out)

[JurisDictum]

Yea NN doesn't matter at all. That's why were going to force it though even though it is massively unpopular.

If you haven't noticed -- things have gone to shit for the MSM. They are trying to reign it in.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because ISPs were classified, alongside other telecoms, as "common carriers", which follow net neutrality, since 1934.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...ns_Act_of_1934

Then Verizon sued the FCC in 2014, freeing them from this regulation, and forcing NN to be regulated more explicitly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizo..._v._FCC_(2014))

Basic research is hard.

maybe you're being ran on a treadmill with a carrot dangling infront of your face because there shouldn't be a telco monopoly to begin with? maybe what you really want is trust busting?

[Xaanka]

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[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its because we didn't have net neutrality for 30 years and isp's never censored anything without a court order

First, we did in a sense. There was a bit of a regulatory cold war. The short of it is that the law was somewhat ambiguous and most carriers were unwilling to skirt the line because that could trigger a court battle which would define where the line actually was. They stood to lose a lot, so the threat of the FCC's hammer coming down was generally enough to keep the status quo. There were still plenty of violations though.

As Sage mentioned, this changed majorly in 2014 with the Verizon suit.

Here's a few of the major violations of NN principles compiled courtesy of Reddit user /u/Skrattybones:

2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.

2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.

2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.

2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. They actually sued the FCC over this.

2011-2013, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. This one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace.

2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)

2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.

2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.

So, yes, it's already happened.

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe you're being ran on a treadmill with a carrot dangling infront of your face because there shouldn't be a telco monopoly to begin with? maybe what you really want is trust busting?

Possibly. Monopolies tend to be tolerated when they provide value and essential service. That tolerance is granted in exchange for heavy oversight given how essential the service is. The problem we have now is that ISPs are beginning to form a vertical monopoly like Standard Oil did under Rockefeller. They not only control the means of distribution, they have a stake in its production and consumption as well. This is basic economics, and these types of monopolies are incredibly dangerous to the general public.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Sage Truthbearer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because ISPs were classified, alongside other telecoms, as "common carriers", which follow net neutrality, since 1934.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...ns_Act_of_1934

Then Verizon sued the FCC in 2014, freeing them from this regulation, and forcing NN to be regulated more explicitly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizo..._v._FCC_(2014))

Basic research is hard.

disappointed to see someone point this out so soon ^^