Scout Roll Agreement 2017

[Legidias]

This has been the whole discussion this time. If this is NBG or general rolls. Even if youre in KC, and have a general NBG set up, if a T staff drops it is quite generally known to change and not be NBG anymore.

The whole point of this discussion is deciding the ruleset, and it isnt NBG yet. As evidence, even with the current way it is working, many, many, many people did not think it was NBG. Just because one person thinks it is, does not make it so. And what do you decide is NBG? What if the char is geared beyond belief with NToV gear, but simply lacks this bracer for say, +1 str over their current lesser bracer. Does that count? Hence, it is entirely NOT fair to arbitrarily decide who gets loot or not. This is just your inner greed talking and telling you to not allow others to roll since you feel entitled to loot.

IF you are in a pickup group, with 1 + 4 guildies + 1 rando, and loot is greed, guess what, its fair that if a guildie wins roll they can delegate to another guildie, as they won the loot, no matter what they decide to do with it.

Again, you are not a GM, you do not decide rules on the server. This is an open discussion, and the fact that some people are saying "No, I decided this 1 rule by myself to get better chance at loot, and anything you say is completely wrong" kinda upsets your whole rationale about making server a nicer place to play.

[Robbintha Hood]

Originally Posted by AdrenolineLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really. Why dont you come attend one? its worked great for months.

Yeah, because a guy waiting for Scout for hours gets trumped by plebbs. Sounds very non-dramatic...

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by AdrenolineLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ayo check it out, look up top. This is a poll where you either agree or disagree. Once the vote is cast, we are trying to have a GM make this a rule. This isnt MY rule. This is the voted on rule. But thanks for trying.

Whats that? No GM response yet and no GM enforced rule? Oh yeah thats right cause this is a discussion about what rules to set and not your self entitlement thread. You dont get to decide what constitutes a majority and minority of people required to enforce a rule.

[Whirled]

If I'm online, I'll help whoever with this. I dont want to roll or any loot. Enjoy your game.

[Toomuch]

I haven't voted yet, I'm honestly on the fence about this. Below are some collected thoughts.

"Click-fest turn-in rights" is out. It's a cluster, and leaves way too much room for cheap manipulation, or even cheating, as was mentioned earlier. I think 95% of the server agrees with this, and the other 5% are the ones looking to get ahead with the cheap/cheating tactics.

Selling your roll/turn-in is out. It's crap, because there are other cash camps out there. I feel like this encounter should be about upgrades for characters that are needing for them, not profits.

After that, there's a lot of factors that start to come into play, so I went old fashioned with an over-the-top pros/cons list:

Pros of the "You roll for yourself, you turn in your own tools, you loot" method
1. Encourages mob to not be a "cash cow" for farmers, and instead limits participation to those players for whom it would be an upgrade only.
2. An unguilded/solo player, or player in a much smaller guild, has a higher chance of getting their upgrade if the masses aren't rolling on behalf of their friends/guildies.
3. There's a good chance that more people will still participate after losing the roll (before scout even pops), because everyone is there for more "pure" reasons, and has the mentality of "we're all in the same boat together". In other words, less people will be like "wtf, a seller/big-guild wins again. I'm sick of this - gating."
4. There might be more player participation from the lesser geared individuals if they know that those players that already have it (or better) will not be rolling. However, see point #1 in the cons, below.

Cons of the "You roll for yourself, you turn in your own tools, you loot" method
1. There will legitimately be less high-end participation if the people that already have it (or better) have nothing to personally gain (or gain for their friends/guildies) by being there, aside from helping in the event that a friend/guildy wins the roll. That means less clicky clerics there, less geared tanks, less people that know the encounter, etc. Encounter will probably still go just fine 90% of the time, but someone might pull the whole train of giants once or twice.
2. It goes against the concept of "fair representation." If a guild has 10 to 15 extra people show up for the scout roll (who honestly could could easily handle the encounter by themselves) good on them! Each person present is putting in the time and dedication, and each individual there is a person behind a monitor that feels like they deserve representation and a fair shake of the dice. Let's be clear and honest that it's very much not selfish of these individuals to want to help their friends and guildmates. Wouldn't it be great if we all had 10 or 15 helpful friends and guildmates that had our backs, and were going out of their way to come to scout, just to help us get geared? Isn't a LOT of Everquest all about getting friends and guildies together and helping each other get/accomplish things (often at the cost of other people not getting/accomplishing those same things)?

When I look at both sides of this, I honestly don't know... I think that as long as it's clarified, set in stone, and enforced, I'll be good with it either way.

[Legidias]

weve decided that any and all drops in game will be arbitrarily decided to who gets what. I get to decide. I agree with this statement, therefore you now have to follow my rules. No one shall every again camp an item, and sell it for cash!

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Perissh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player made agreement cant be made if not all players agree to it. That defeats the whole purpose. If a player made agreement is something that a couple of people can agree on and force everyone else to adhere to, I'm going to start posting some insane agreements and have my friends agree to them.

East Commons Tunnel cannot be used to sell items going forward. All auctions must now be done inside of High Keep in the room behind the banker.

I like this agreement. It is now ratified.

[Fasttimes]

Hit me up. Racks on racks on racks. 24k x4 scout. Buying all day .

[Robbintha Hood]

Originally Posted by Perissh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player made agreement cant be made if not all players agree to it. That defeats the whole purpose. If a player made agreement is something that a couple of people can agree on and force everyone else to adhere to, I'm going to start posting some insane agreements and have my friends agree to them.

East Commons Tunnel cannot be used to sell items going forward. All auctions must now be done inside of High Keep in the room behind the banker.

If Scout is gonna be roll a mob, then I support the removal of EC Tunnel Auctions in favor of Highkeep behind the banker. Also, I also vote that Fear Golems and Traknon be on roll between racing guilds. You see where Perissh getting at with this about Scout roll? Its a f*cking stupid rule change. Plain and simple.

[skarlorn]

not reading ANY of your thoughts on this.

put this thread in RNF so we can really go after each other's throats.

THanks Sir Ken of Sir Ken's Mayonnaise