Please Change the Two Boxing Rule

[letsdance]

i plan on playing here and the no-boxing rule is also a big concern for me. back in my EQ times i loved 2-boxing and i did not experience the troubles mentioned here.

after reading this whole thread i agree that the no-boxing rule should stay in place, at least for the moment. altough i will miss it. but i think the issues are mostly connected to the dense population, which should improve with the expansions.

[Razdeline]

Also on classic, the classes played were more evened out.

Look at all the mages and necros on this server. Most of the people that have the solo mentality want to play a mage or a necro so they can camp things. Everywhere I go I see mages and necros, in groups, out of group, in raids(especially mages).

I know you all know what im talking about.

If boxing were allowed (with restrictions) I guarantee you wouldnt just see a bunch of mages running around.

Also, just because people want to box here or there, it doesn't mean they do it every waking moment they are in EQ. I hated boxing in raids/groups because I wanted to focus on my character and my group. I didn't like boxing compared to grouping/raiding. I actually enjoy to socialize when I play multiplayer games. I know most of you that have boxed can agree with me here, too.

Imagine the server with no one on it but yourself; Would you box and play on it if no one was ever going to be online?

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1.) Every guild thats good already has trackers that are sitting in a zone for mobiliZation.

2.) Thirty idiots?

3.) Most zones do not have all camps locked down. I have never ran into any sort of cluster since ive been here.

4.) Boxing is classic, although I beleive there needs to be certain restrictions.

You're saying that boxing would enrich the population, if i have access to a 50 druid, am i going to go and group with a bunch of other players my level and have fun levelling up, or am i going to go somewhere like MM and PL myself, killing alot of mobs quicker than a full group can.

Factor in the market of account selling for platinum, with the ability to 2 box and because the big $$ camps are already taken by someone boxing, you have a bunch of other people levelling up characters JUST to sell.

And then you have a vanilla group, 6 people, all playing their single characters, wanting to exp in somewhere like Sola... along with a bunch of level 50 druids, PLing up some randoms.

I know this is the case, because if boxing was allowed, i'd be PLing my bard. And then i'd probably level up a rogue. Fact is, exp would be a lot quicker PLing myself so what's my incentive to group?

[letsdance]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if i have access to a 50 druid, am i going to go and group with a bunch of other players my level and have fun levelling up

yes of course. i never PLed though i had access to 3 accounts. grouping is what makes EQ so much fun.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by letsdance [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes of course. i never PLed though i had access to 3 accounts. grouping is what makes EQ so much fun.

I agree with you here as well Letsdance. I understand Omni's worries about boxing, but I think many people on this discussion are hastily running to the defense and drawing the largest worst case scenario which has never happened on live. I have ran into people running a whole group as a box. And even at that magnitude on live, it never stopped me from soloing camps in Lguk on my mage. I would just ask those people when they would be done and I would get added to a list for the camp. Most 'cash camps' are soloable by a Mage and if not a mage, a Necro can solo almost any awesome loot spawn.

Also--Cash camps now are already taken at all times, go check Dino in OOT, check Frenzy in Lguk, check both Ancient Cyclopse spawns, Efreeti, Fire Giants, go hang out at Seafuries and count all the mages you see.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're saying that boxing would enrich the population, if i have access to a 50 druid, am i going to go and group with a bunch of other players my level and have fun levelling up, or am i going to go somewhere like MM and PL myself, killing alot of mobs quicker than a full group can.

Factor in the market of account selling for platinum, with the ability to 2 box and because the big $$ camps are already taken by someone boxing, you have a bunch of other people levelling up characters JUST to sell.

And then you have a vanilla group, 6 people, all playing their single characters, wanting to exp in somewhere like Sola... along with a bunch of level 50 druids, PLing up some randoms.

I know this is the case, because if boxing was allowed, i'd be PLing my bard. And then i'd probably level up a rogue. Fact is, exp would be a lot quicker PLing myself so what's my incentive to group?

Also the incentive to group will be here once Kunark is released. Go box 4 characters and tell me how well you do in Sebelis or Chardok. I guarantee with all the mobs you will have to CC, trains, and ping ponging between characters, will be too much.

And like I said, people wouldn't play this game if there wasn't a social aspect. What I mean by that is: Just because people are boxing, does not mean they arent interacting with other players. If I knew I could box, but say there wasn't anyone in the game -- I wouldnt play the game.

[Curmudgen]

If the intent was to "just let my opinion be known" then an IM directed to the devs would work. Also you/y'all would not be responsive. Seems there is intent to market a change in attitude.

Really its been said before and it's true....this server has a rule set that will not be changing anytime in the forseeable future. This thread now seems pointless.

[Bruno]

Roll a pet class and you can dual box legit like the rest of us.

[moklianne]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you here as well Letsdance. I understand Omni's worries about boxing, but I think many people on this discussion are hastily running to the defense and drawing the largest worst case scenario which has never happened on live..

It never happened on live because people had to PAY for each account. There would be nothing to stop someone from boxing a whole group here, or at least 3 toons.

Hell, I'd love to two box if I could. I just think it would destroy the population within 6 months. I would rather enjoy P1999 for the long haul then enjoy it only for a few more months.

[runlvlzero]

whats funny about this 2 boxing business is just about anyone with half a brain can get just about any class to 50, and farm their own gear and be a loner. I think rogue right now could not possibly make 50 solo. And rogues are technically the easiest to get a group with if your LFG and 5 ft from another groups camp, and patient you will get a spot as soon as a dps drops to go have lunch. Unless everyone hates you...

Rogues - go farm poison, it gets better in kunark
Clerics - go play around with undead in s ro, or rathe mnts
Wars - best ever get from 30-31 in najena on TT's
etc... the list goes on theres nothing wrong with a little downtime

Why am I here and not on hidden forest or wow? because when I log in I get /tells from people chilling in EC or medding in a group or lfg ... sometimes I run around with someone and help them with something until i get a group or i try duoing a new spot with a random person to check out my class etc...

Sorry just not gonna happen here, especially when kunark comes out...

Ide also like to point out, bards can solo REALLY effectively, shamans, enchanters, wizards. Wizards vs Necro in a race to 50, a wizard has a solid chance of winning. Don't limit your options because "someone said play a certain way". Infact only class I would stay away from for any solo at all would be war and rog, with good twink items war is playable. I can solo my 32 SK in bronze armor if i want to... its cheese. Boring (because its solo) but cheese.