Monopolizing Scout in WW...

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by dslaybac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that the same person has gotten *numerous* turn ins versus many conpetitors is what brings up the question of whether or not he is using a third party program. I can take getting beat by different people each time... but the same guy every time? Fishy af. I mean what... is he the Michael Jordan of Scout Charisa turn in? He also accused me of using autofire the one time I beat him. Cheater assumes the only way to be beat is by another cheater? Or does he really think he's just that badass?

I think the only justification for this type of turn in is the assumed level playing field. That assumption fails when one person can consistently lock out others on a regular basis. Clearly everyone does not have a "fair and equal chance of succeeding." It certainly does raise questions about 3rd party programs. Even if that isn't the case, we have a situation in which a player is bottle-necking a quest they otherwise would have moved on from after a completion or so. I sincerely hope the server will come to an agreement on /random being the preferred way to settle Scout spawns in the future. There's no gaming the system in that rule set.

Originally Posted by dslaybac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He also accused me of using autofire the one time I beat him. Cheater assumes the only way to be beat is by another cheater? Or does he really think he's just that badass?

This part in particular is funny because that's the exact same reaction Catherin, patron saint of autofire, had when she lost to legit players.
HOW COULD THEY BEAT ME? I'M CHEATING.

[Kagey]

you don't need auto fire for this camp, just low ping.

~Shrink.
~Stand under the spawn loc.
~Have a ping of 30-40ms.
~Look up and spam click. (have timer down by the second)

Your success is based off position/ping, and not having someone in front of your clicks.

If you don't meet these requirements find someone in your guild that does.

[Leiker]

Originally Posted by Kagey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't need auto fire for this camp, just low ping.

~Shrink.
~Stand under the spawn loc.
~Have a ping of 30-40ms.
~Look up and spam click. (have timer down by the second)

Your success is based off position/ping, and not having someone in front of your clicks.

If you don't meet these requirements find someone in your guild that does.

What if your "opponent" does all those things AND uses autofire/click-macro?

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Leiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if your "opponent" does all those things AND uses autofire/click-macro?

As it has been pointed out. The server can only recognize so many clicks a second. Auto fire macros often click way way more times than can be registered. So in essence it's 90% wasted clicks, it just increases there chance of clicking at the right time. But anyone with low ping and good timing can click there mouse 10 times a second no problem. And I'd be surprised if the server registered many more clicks per second than that. And scout is a zero variance spawn. So three seconds before she pops start clicking like a fiend.

Edit: this does not account for the more tricky macros that automatically open trade/move item/close trade all in about a half second. Anyone using one of those is officially cheating and an asshat. Though it's not exactly easy to prove when they are using the sorts of macro programs with programmable mouse movements. Not just auto clickers.

[Leiker]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As it has been pointed out. The server can only recognize so many clicks a second. Auto fire macros often click way way more times than can be registered. So in essence it's 90% wasted clicks, it just increases there chance of clicking at the right time. .

Not trying to be contrarian here, but do you have anything to back this claim up or is it just speculation?

How many times can you manually click a mouse pr second? How many clicks can the server register pr second?

I'm guessing manual clicking would give you somewhere inbetween 5 and 10 clicks per second (probably closer to 5). As for the server, I have no idea, but I bet it can register more.

Even in worst case scenario and the click macro having little effect, which I dont believe is the case, its still using a 3rd party program to gain an unfair advantage.

This does not account for the more tricky macros that automatically open trade/move item/close trade all in about a half second.

If you are moving items around while trying to do the turnin, you are doing it wrong. Have you ever tried to get Scout at all?

Anyway, tired of discussing this as I dont really care THAT much. I already got a couple of bracers and I play at Euro times and often it has very few people at scout and good chances to win. Cheaters piss me off though

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Leiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to be contrarian here, but do you have anything to back this claim up or is it just speculation?

How many times can you manually click a mouse pr second? How many clicks can the server register pr second?

I'm guessing manual clicking would give you somewhere inbetween 5 and 10 clicks per second (probably closer to 5).

I will bet everything I own against everything that you own that I can click a mouse at least 15 times in a second, easily. Did you never play any games other than mmo's? There are a ton of games out there that require you to click at lightning speeds at some point. Everything from metal gear solid series (during some of the cinematic knife fights clicking rapidly is how you block some of the attacks). Mario party mini games (a ton of them require you to rapidly push buttons to win). First person shooters with semi-auto, shoots as fast as you can click weapons. The list goes on and on. I can confidently say that most human beings are capable of clicking a mouse ten times in a single second.

Maybe a second is a lot longer than you realize.

And my comment about mouse moving marries doesn't necessarily apply to scout turn in. But doesn't mean they aren't a thing. Was merely pointing out the fact that there are multiple types of "auto-fires"

[Darkatar]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server can only recognize so many clicks a second. Auto fire macros often click way way more times than can be registered.

The "clicks" the server cares about are only the important ones. "This item cannot be dropped, traded, sold" is a client-side only notification

1-The mob spawns, mob is now tradeable, Person spamming click now has a valid trade target

Having a valid trade target, adds CURSORITEM to the TRADEWINDOW, removes CURSORITEM from mouse

2-Having a valid trade window, with a valid item, a valid click happens to the "accept trade"

So, as you can see, only 2 clicks are valid/possible/registered (assuming you don't trade your shit to a pet.) Those "wasted clicks" (after spawning) always come secondarily to the actual valid clicks, and are unimportant.

[Kagey]

Then lets hope a GM catches him.

....

on that note, I've beat him. And have won 5 and given 2 away to old guildmates.

Maybe yall are just doing it wrong and or badluck with clicks.

[Cecily]

Or come to a player agreement that's fair to everyone? I know that sounds crazy.

[Cecily]

I love that PS4 game where you stand on top of a very specific position, mashing a button, and hope another player doesn't stand in your way or have a better internet connection. Good analogy.