WTS Plane of Hate : Loot Rights List

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by botrainer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol Aftermath members claiming to be attorney's yet find the time to randomly pop up into hate, in a 17 year old game, on a server that is trying to emulate that said zone in a state as it was sum 15 years ago to clear minis; day or night. That's a shame our attorney's actually worry themselves with these sorts of things. Oh, also finding time standing on "FTE lines" day and night, put in an overwhelming number of hours to get BIS items for months on end. No wonder our fucking justice system, it's laws, and whole governing body has gone to shit. They're on this emulation server rather than actually doing their jobs!

What will an Aftermath member say next!?

What it boils down to is this; stop being douche bags; let others clear hate; stop pulling over other raids; and stop acting like you guys don't play dirty to snipe mini's.

You seem like a nice person.

[Fragged]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you missed my last two points, I wrote the post over a couple of edits.

4. Dispite what you might think, it IS challenging and FUN to learn how to min max a "new zone" (since we haven't spent much time in hate), and for us it's a welcome change to standing on an FTE line.

5. Since we spend 99% of our time raiding we don't usually have time to earn platinum, and even though we may not need items on our mains (and this may come as a shock to you) we do enjoy playing a twinked toon as much as the next person. I will remind you that the richest people on this server aren't the hardcore raiders, but the "casuals" that instead of raiding spend all their time building and managing their massive fortune of platinum.

Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

Originally Posted by Old Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.

Yeah. Understand the condition though. At once stage I was farming Lodizal as an enchanter (could charm that little gnome on the docks in IC) and had my alarms set for him, was getting up at like 2am, 3am, taking breaks at work to login... pretty insane looking back.

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thing is though on live we we're killing Vindi with 2 groups in Velious, we got him to 65% with a single group at one stage but I think we were in Luclin at that stage although we had no soulfires as well, we failed because cleric went oom. What I'm saying is there's no way what you're doing is challenging if you're in BiS gear and in NTov / ST. Its just farming if we're being honest.

Of course it's farming. It's fun and challenging farming. Finding out how to do Hate with down to 3 people is a fun challenge. Maybe not for a skilled player like you, since you seemingly have already mastered this, and only by pure choice chose to bring multiple groups of people and wipe to trash.

You mention Vindi, and I'm sure we could all come up with tons of fun things to do with low amount of people, but my bet is that if we had chosen to start farming Vindi, or anything else for that matter, you would be right in here complaining again.

[Old Prexus]

I legitimately wonder how some of the players on here function in the real world. Those of them lucky enough to find sex most likely have panic attacks, mid fuck, about the spawn cycle of some monster.

[eudaimonia_etc]

Given the controversy, it seems the mini's should be subject to the rules usually governing raid mobs:

Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.
To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.
Invulnerability spells used on engagement may only be for mechanic strategies, and may not be used to stall engagement.

If racing is the way we deal with parsing out contested raid content, then a racing/no poop-socking requirement should be introduced here.

[Fifield]

ahhh the QQ is great, even got ol Botrainer to come and QQ .

P99 has never been about casuals getting epics/gear, if you want the earth staff so bad mages, form up a team and race these guys to the mini's, crying about it on the forums isnt going to get you anywhere.

On the trader side of things, i'd pay 4-500k anyday for a mage epic on p99. So free bump to your sales

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ahhh the QQ is great, even got ol Botrainer to come and QQ .

P99 has never been about casuals getting epics/gear, if you want the earth staff so bad mages, form up a team and race these guys to the mini's, crying about it on the forums isnt going to get you anywhere.

On the trader side of things, i'd pay 4-500k anyday for a mage epic on p99. So free bump to your sales

For what's it worth - Earth Staff used to sell for 900k-1.2M plat. The fact that this service exists has dropped the price by ~50% making it far more accessible to players than it ever was.

[BallzDeep]

I thought the point of a no drop item is that it isn't supposed to be sold. Good thing greedy bastards figured out a long time ago that you can still manipulate that somehow.

I mean you know how the hate minis work right? You call people scumbags because they can do something you can't and you're upset about it?

Sums up this thread. Elitists with Dunning-Krueger feel other people "can't" sit on a video game for extended periods of time. You'd probably be right because most of us aren't "lawyers."

The answers are:
Is what they are doing ok to P99 staff? Yes
Are they probably greedy assholes looking to RMT? Yes, see redguides.
Should these items be sold? Probably not.


There are so many other ways to farm platinum other than selling no drops. This screams RMT. BTW I'm in none of these guilds, just like calling out RMTers when I see them.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought the point of a no drop item is that it isn't supposed to be sold. Good thing greedy bastards figured out a long time ago that you can still manipulate that somehow.



Sums up this thread. Elitists with Dunning-Krueger feel other people "can't" sit on a video game for extended periods of time. You'd probably be right because most of us aren't "lawyers."

The answers are:
Is what they are doing ok to P99 staff? Yes
Are they probably greedy assholes looking to RMT? Yes, see redguides.
Should these items be sold? Probably not.


There are so many other ways to farm platinum other than selling no drops. This screams RMT. BTW I'm in none of these guilds, just like calling out RMTers when I see them.

Understanding how the mobs you are going after work and how to spawn them isn't being elitist. The minis all have phs and different places that they can spawn. The respawn on those place holders is 8 hours. How often doesclue go up to hate to clear out those place holders? Or do they just have a tracker that sees a magi is up after another group took the time to clear the placeholders?

Seems really petty to be upset at the people reaping the benefits of spending hours clearing place holders just because they spawned a named you want. Seems like the only reason you think they are RMTing is because you personally couldn't afford what you want. Making ignorant assumptions from a place of ignorance just confirms that you're butt hurt.