Can the "list holder" at AC OOT camp remove people for no reason?

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks to MM for digging up this post from Derubael explaining camps and providing the link to that post on an old thread I created on this very topic.

Derubael's Post:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1652719&postcount=9


What he wrote:

Pretty clear-cut, and these exact rules have been around in one form or another for quite some time. I really need to compile a "Project 1999: Errata and other extraneous information" post to put all this stuff. For now, this will have to do:

Camp holder has the right to pass the camp to whoever he would like. However, and this is very important, two things must happen in order for this to be a legitimate hand-off:

1) The player being handed the camp must be present around the time the first placeholder spawns after the last holder of the camp has gotten his or her item in hand. The person handing off the camp must stay at the spawn until the next person in line arrives, if that person is on their way to take the camp. There is a little leeway here, and we refuse to set an exact timer on how long the placeholder can be up before the camp is forfeited, but in general it should never be for more than a couple minutes or so. We tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the person coming in to take the camp in these situations as CSR staff, so waiting a bit longer will never hurt. W

2) The person holding the camp cannot mislead you, or change his mind after telling you who is next. Something that no one ever does (and I will never understand why) is to specifically address the camp holder, asking who is next or if you can be next. The camp holder does need to reveal to you who the next intended camp holder is - if he doesn't, you may ask to be next and your claim will be valid unless he reveals the next person immediately. This person cannot change after the camp holder has "revealed" the next person to take the camp to you. It is an automatic forfeit if this occurs. If you ask to be the next camp holder and are told yes, the camp holder may not later retract or change this agreement and attempt to hand the camp off to someone else - it's yours once he has gotten his item or moved on from the camp.

Something else important to note about handing off camps - in particular, popular ones, but this applies to any camp that becomes contested. If you are solo camping, once you attain the item you were waiting for (an AC ring, for example) you are done camping that mob. The person coming to take the camp had better be prepared at this point in order to come eliminate the very next placeholder spawn in order to "stake his claim" on the mob. You cannot work wacky corpse lines on lore items in order to grab multiple items in the same "camp session" if there are others waiting to take the camp. Please be aware that we reserve the right to apply this same ruling to any camp if we deem it necessary, including camps with multiple players.

Last edited by Derubael; 11-10-2014 at 10:49 AM..

Mostly this. What we really need is a GM to write up specific rules for this particular camp.. and make sure they're enforced. The amount of confusion around this camp is unreasonable. Until then, the camp will be abused by retired/disabled/losers.

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was me.

And no, you came to the Sro AC at 35%, claimed it was yours cause you "made him spawn" (lol 9pm game time), proceeded to spend all your high level Rangers mana dispelling my dots, snare and root for 5 mins as I kited him arouND.

Once out of mana you logged a high druid and did the same thing dispelling for another 5 mins till you got frustrated. THEN logged onto an enchanter that wasn't oor, duall boxed ported him into Sro and chain mezzed and rooted me till the AC killed me.

And the only reason I was able to kill the mob was due to almost every one of my spells fizzled during your THREE relogs. You didn't PVP the AC off me nerd, I had a string of terrible dice rolls.

You blued the shit out of me then used red server rules to pull out a last second grief. Keep acting like you red though, champ.

If he's able to mez you you gotta get that MR up to 125-130ish...if you stumble on some high end gems I'm happy to do the combines for you at cost ^^

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's your advice on handling 10 mins of oor dispelling the AC?

Charm him and hand over some MR gear?

Dispelling off a large portion of my mana, then proceeding to fizzle is how he got the kill. Not chain mezzing and rooting an oom druid to purposely cause an exp loss.

Appreciate the offer of JC services though.

Load up the level 1/5/9 versions of your spells and see if you can outlast his dispeling...one thing a lot of red players aren't good at is reading spell text (some exceptions). They see the creeping crud/drones of doom spell effects or whatever else and assume you're trying 100%. Make it a test of patience, or if you've made some friends who are on - get them down to help while the bullshit is progressing lol

If you don't have your JC slots covered, more stats would help too... I remember the biggest problem on my first red druid (human, restarted) was not having enough mana to kill anyone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was me.

And no, you came to the Sro AC at 35%, claimed it was yours cause you "made him spawn" (lol 9pm game time), proceeded to spend all your high level Rangers mana dispelling my dots, snare and root for 5 mins as I kited him arouND.

Once out of mana you logged a high druid and did the same thing dispelling for another 5 mins till you got frustrated. THEN logged onto an enchanter that wasn't oor, duall boxed ported him into Sro and chain mezzed and rooted me till the AC killed me.

And the only reason I was able to kill the mob was due to almost every one of my spells fizzled during your THREE relogs. You didn't PVP the AC off me nerd, I had a string of terrible dice rolls.

You blued the shit out of me then used red server rules to pull out a last second grief. Keep acting like you red though, champ.

lol that's pretty hilarious but i don't dual box, have an enchanter, or a ranger. or play everquest.

[Vasuki]

Originally Posted by Swish2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not reading all that.

I'd rather win or lose the AC in a duel of pvp skill if the AC is contested... either way it doesn't result in a petition, waiting to see if I get the ring (or get to keep the ring), and simmering in the meantime about how another elf sim player is trying to stitch me up. Also it doesn't waste the staff's time.

How are camps in Red disputed if people are not in PvP level range?

[Cecily]

Blue rules apply and nothing makes people there angrier.

[Doctor Jeff]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue rules apply and nothing makes people there angrier.

Not true, we just log in a level appropriate twink to slay the nerd.

[Cecily]

Angry enough to kill someone?!

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Vasuki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How are camps in Red disputed if people are not in PvP level range?

train them or log on an alt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was me.

And no, you came to the Sro AC at 35%, claimed it was yours cause you "made him spawn" (lol 9pm game time), proceeded to spend all your high level Rangers mana dispelling my dots, snare and root for 5 mins as I kited him arouND.

Once out of mana you logged a high druid and did the same thing dispelling for another 5 mins till you got frustrated. THEN logged onto an enchanter that wasn't oor, duall boxed ported him into Sro and chain mezzed and rooted me till the AC killed me.

And the only reason I was able to kill the mob was due to almost every one of my spells fizzled during your THREE relogs. You didn't PVP the AC off me nerd, I had a string of terrible dice rolls.

You blued the shit out of me then used red server rules to pull out a last second grief. Keep acting like you red though, champ.

Xaanka you got pwned. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]