What did people dislike most about luclin?

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's interesting because at least you understand that although you don't share his enthusiasm for raiding, you do recognize that he enjoys it just as you enjoy lowbie stuffs and that it's really just a matter of different perspectives.

What seems to be the trend though are the hardcore raiding types tend to look down on others who don't share their grand scheme of raiding mobs that require a zerg force following the screaming commands of pixel fiending neckbeards.

It's as if those who don't enjoy the raiding scene are lesser beings or something, lacking intellect and complexity because they enjoy lower level activities.

I too prefer the ambience of when I am leveling a character, from 1-59 basically.

What I have experienced in the raid scene here has only left me with disappointment and it has nothing to do with having trouble grasping how to play a higher lvl toon.

Lower level activities are easier to do solo or with a small group and lack the toxicity the raiding scene brings.

That's been my personal experience, anyway.

imo, small group activities require a lot more intellect and complexity than raiding activities, even at low levels.

Everyone in a group is expected to pull their own weight. You're expected to know and use your class abilities. People get shocked if you haven't bought Spell X or Ability Y. You can experiment with new things to do and new abilities you have learned and usually you will be rewarded for doing so.

In a raid most classes are gimped. For example, pet classes shouldn't use their pets. A cleric who isn't participating in the CH chain is probably wrong. Enchanters turn into buffbots. Mostly, you do a specific subset of activities that is restricted by your raid leader. Very few people on a raid use their class abilities as much as they could be. And indeed, most of the time you don't have to. The warrior who AFKs after he pops defensive is a real thing.

Some people like this, that's fine, I get the joy of killing something enormous and getting a shot at some BiS item. But other parts of the game are more enjoyable to me, so I prefer to focus on them.

I'm not really surprised that Daldaen doesn't understand, how could he? He's so focused on stuff with acronyms and his long ago progression through xpacs that most of us never cared about. But he's emblematic of the raiding mindset here, the kind of guys who think the server will just keel over if it doesn't Progress(tm), never understanding why other people might play EverQuest, notwithstanding that there's hundreds of other people in other zones every day doing things they like to do that aren't raiding.

[icedwards]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imo, small group activities require a lot more intellect and complexity than raiding activities, even at low levels.

Everyone in a group is expected to pull their own weight. You're expected to know and use your class abilities. People get shocked if you haven't bought Spell X or Ability Y. You can experiment with new things to do and new abilities you have learned and usually you will be rewarded for doing so.

In a raid most classes are gimped. For example, pet classes shouldn't use their pets. A cleric who isn't participating in the CH chain is probably wrong. Enchanters turn into buffbots. Mostly, you do a specific subset of activities that is restricted by your raid leader. Very few people on a raid use their class abilities as much as they could be. And indeed, most of the time you don't have to. The warrior who AFKs after he pops defensive is a real thing.

Some people like this, that's fine, I get the joy of killing something enormous and getting a shot at some BiS item. But other parts of the game are more enjoyable to me, so I prefer to focus on them.

I'm not really surprised that Daldaen doesn't understand, how could he? He's so focused on stuff with acronyms and his long ago progression through xpacs that most of us never cared about. But he's emblematic of the raiding mindset here, the kind of guys who think the server will just keel over if it doesn't Progress(tm), never understanding why other people might play EverQuest, notwithstanding that there's hundreds of other people in other zones every day doing things they like to do that aren't raiding.

How much interaction do you really have with raiders on this server anyways? It's not like Detoxx is in Blackburrow yelling "CONCEDE!!" anytime you aggro a gnoll carrying a cracked staff.

[skarlorn]

the art is fucking garbage

[surron]

yea you luclin/pop lovers need to try out redacted cause its the better server even with pok books. people still need ports to kunark/velious/luclin and people still auction shit all the time

[maskedmelon]

Have to agree that EC tunnel in 2016 sucks ass because of things like p99auctions. By normalizing prices it constricts liquidity and and sours people's attitudes making them feel like someone is trying to swindle them for offering to sell/but at a price deviating from the value advertised on the site by some nerd cycling wtb/wts /auctions across 10 different characters.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have to agree that EC tunnel in 2016 sucks ass because of things like p99auctions. By normalizing prices it constricts liquidity and and sours people's attitudes making them feel like someone is trying to swindle them for offering to sell/but at a price deviating from the value advertised on the site by some nerd cycling wtb/wts /auctions across 10 different characters.

If it wasn't for them damned kids gettin on my lawn all the time!!!!!!!

You're right about p99auctions being just as easily manipulated as every other attempt to "keep EC profiteers honest".

Whoever was complaining about raider mentality, welcome to the year 2000. The "kids" who get active playing EQ during Kunark really pushed the hell out of that attitude, my friends and I used to blame it on tham having grown up playing video games. We were, of course, far superior in all ways having been socialized into gaming via pen&paper roleplaying and board wargames, those damned kids shoulda stayed off our lawn dammit!

Luclin sucked tho. The models were ok, but the animations were utter crap, and the old low-level game was given the same treatment as the raid game had already received earlier, destroyed by the "Hey look guys! It's Shinier! It Trivializes Old Content! Did We Mention That It's Shinier?!!!" that Verant/SOE used to sell new expansion packs.

[Odann]

Originally Posted by surron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yea you luclin/pop lovers need to try out redacted cause its the better server even with pok books. people still need ports to kunark/velious/luclin and people still auction shit all the time

IIRC there was a book that ported you right to the Overthere.

[Jimjam]

The starting levels are great fun if you don't twink; earning that full set of cloth, filling up on back packs, finding a two hander to sharpen up and get those 1 hit kills on xp mobs. Getting strong enough to fight animals and turn them into armour. Awesomes! Lots of meaningful upgrades and progressing through content at a nice pace.

[Naethyn]

Make p99 great again. Bring on Shadows of Luclin.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make p99 great again. Bring on Shadows of Luclin.

Go play live if you want that