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Old 08-04-2016, 02:56 PM
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WOOOOOOOOOO! I like you a lot. Seriously, good post.

I am talking about extremism on both sides, not literal. As for "Most conser... don't believe in God", I disagree with you. If you are Christian, and believe in the Christian God (not Morons....mormons or whatever), then you must believe in a wrathful God. It's in the old test... Anyway, without side tracking, my side is:

Conservative/Moderate. There are some points the Liberals have that are worthy and worth following, but for the most part they have crazy points of view that are unrealistic.

I like to distill it like this:

Liberals: Love me completely or die!

Conservatives: Leave me be or die!


I identify more with the latter because I mostly just want to be left alone. I have no issue with people doing whatever they like, whether it's putting things in their butt or pretending they're drinking a dead man's blood. Have at it! Just don't foist your shit on me. If I want to put things in my butt or pretend I am drinking a dead man's blood or watch other people do those things, I will (and you can't stop me!) and if I don't want to, I won't. The moment you seek to compel my participation, you can kindly die.
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Liberals: Love me completely or die!
Justice.
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Conservatives: Leave me be or die!
Liberty.
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Not that they deliver on justice, but that's their central theme. This is often where activism comes from, and especially their dealings in social justice as they perceive it.
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I like to distill it like this:

Liberals: Love me completely or die!
Wouldn't "Love these other people completely" be more accurate?

I respect your mind but on this issue I think you're a little biased. You look at the best of the conservatives (and tend to present the libertarian side of conservatives although they are not the average conservative) but at the worst of the liberals.

I get (and agree) with the liberals ironically forcing their message of tolerance on other people but you should remember that Gay Pride parades exist solely because of homosexual discrimination. And this discrimination is not solely social (and this is very significant). The conservatives have actually been socially tyrannical in ways that partially causes modern day liberals to act like they do. As much as the conservatives may want to be left alone (rightfully so) they don't return the favour as you imply.
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Old 08-05-2016, 06:23 PM
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As for "Most conser... don't believe in God", I disagree with you. If you are Christian, and believe in the Christian God (not Morons....mormons or whatever), then you must believe in a wrathful God.
What they "should" believe in is irrelevant to what they actually believe. Aside from even the hypocrites professing one thing while demonstratively believing another, theres a pretty sizeable subset (and growing) of conservatives who have nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible at all.
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Old 08-08-2016, 03:41 PM
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Wouldn't "Love these other people completely" be more accurate?

I respect your mind but on this issue I think you're a little biased. You look at the best of the conservatives (and tend to present the libertarian side of conservatives although they are not the average conservative) but at the worst of the liberals.

I get (and agree) with the liberals ironically forcing their message of tolerance on other people but you should remember that Gay Pride parades exist solely because of homosexual discrimination. And this discrimination is not solely social (and this is very significant). The conservatives have actually been socially tyrannical in ways that partially causes modern day liberals to act like they do. As much as the conservatives may want to be left alone (rightfully so) they don't return the favour as you imply.
Thank you ^^ and you are right of course, that was an unfair assessment. While I do not think there is anything particularly admirable about the conservative view, I think the liberal one was a bit less favorable. I think it would be better expressed as

"love everyone or die," or

"love all of us or die"

because though there are some selfless individuals among liberals, I do not believe such individuals are represented in any greater percentage among liberals than they are among the general population. The sad truth is that liberalism, like conservatism is not an inherently selfless ideology and liberals are no more likely to embrace people outside of their group than conservatives are. Perhaps I am too cynical ^^

The fundamental difference that I sought to illustrate is that one demands participation, one refuses it. In the past, the latter may have prohibited rather than refused, but the truth is that form of conservatism (and probably conservatism in general) no longer enjoys a majority.

It seems to me that both factions (liberals and conservatives) have become increasingly authoritarian with regard to social issues though which is the antithesis of liberalism and that is a source of some frustration for me. There really aren't any liberals anymore. Contemporary liberals largely represent social liberalism while contemporary conservatives, perhaps to a lesser degree, profess classical liberalism. Each clinging to a different branch of the same limb that reaches in a direction all its own.

Offhand, I am not sure how I feel about pride parades specifically except that they do not appear prideful :/ My comment on things and butts was just a reference to sodomy laws in general, not homosexuality. There are plenty of heterosexual couples who engage in the behavior as well. Beyond public health & safety concerns (proliferation of venereal disease, etc.) though government has no business involving itself in the private behaviors of rational consenting adults.
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