Dial a port is bad for server health.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Excuse you, my druid is not a mindless portbot! I think it's time you learn how to play the class you've been exploiting for money :| I challenge you to duo with my monk and get Afeni up to 49 without PLing!

Lol so t twist my words. No way did I say we're all portbots merely saying why give us the ability for fast travel if it wasn't the intent to travel fast. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's... moronic. Druids and wizards both port and were designed around having access to "fast travel" for their group. This is no different than the roaming guilds of Mana burning wizards we saw on live, pre-nerf.

Mana burning Wizards isn't classic and that is still different; a group of Wizards working together for a shared self-interest. Yes, Druids and Wizards were designed to have fast travel for THEIR GROUP. Obviously either of these classes can choose to port people around on their own whim as well, and people learned to do /who all wizard or druid to find ports, but never was it the intent to have "Dial-a-Port" and never was that how the game actually played in Classic. Druids and Wizards were mostly busy trying to, you know, actually play the game themselves.

There is a reason why Plane of Knowledge was so terrible for the game and why nobody who actually understands classic Everquest wants that kind of porting mechanic in the game. "Dial-a-Port" isn't quite so bad as PoK, but similar in its degradation of the core values of the game.

I would advise you not to use the word moronic, you'll just have egg on your face with the line of argumentation you're trying to present.

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mana burning Wizards isn't classic and that is still different

Classic in the sense that once it was in game, gallivanting bands of wizards mana burning down targets was a thing (until the nerfs). SKs did the same thing.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, Druids and Wizards were designed to have fast travel for THEIR GROUP.

So you're saying Druids never advertised ports on Live, or...? A druid's "group" for porting has always been "whoever wants a port." Players organizing guilds and groups (even all the same class) has always been a thing.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would advise you not to use the word moronic, you'll just have egg on your face with the line of argumentation you're trying to present.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You may have been gone a while but your post quality remains the same.

[Sorn]

The perception of the server is that druids are portbots and soloers, in part because so many make druid alts for DaP and to level up they do just that. Same for wizards.

I don't think that was the intent behind giving those classes ports.

also fight me IRL Tupakk >:(

[Crawdad]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The perception of the server is that druids are portbots and soloers, in part because so many make druid alts for DaP and to level up they do just that. Same for wizards.

I don't think that was the intent behind giving those classes ports.

also fight me IRL Tupakk >[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem stems from Druid being one of the classes everyone gets told to roll then use to twink "what you really want to play." So you see a lot of people who have no interest in playing Druid other than as a tool to make money. Its a shame, since Druid is a great class in general.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic in the sense that once it was in game, gallivanting bands of wizards mana burning down targets was a thing (until the nerfs).

Again, groups of Wizards doing that has nothing to with everyone in the game being able to easily port. What a ridiculous fail of logic to call something classic for that reason as well. Countless things from Luclin and beyond eras were "in the game"...you don't have a valid point.

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying Druids never advertised ports on Live, or...?

There was no mechanism in place for porters to instantly be connected to everyone in the World for a port. Port classes had to advertise per zone and people had to manually do /who all searches and PM each individual player to find a port. Again, even beyond that, port classes were busier trying to actually play the game to begin with. Not just do nothing but port while waiting in queue to do mass AoE power-level.

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your post quality remains the same

Superior quality, yes.

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, groups of Wizards doing that has nothing to with everyone in the game being able to easily port. What a ridiculous fail of logic to call something classic for that reason as well. Countless things from Luclin and beyond eras were "in the game"...you don't have a valid point.



There was no mechanism in place for porters to instantly be connected to everyone in the World for a port. Port classes had to advertise per zone and people had to manually do /who all searches and PM each individual player to find a port. Again, even beyond that, port classes were busier trying to actually play the game to begin with. Not just do nothing but port while waiting in queue to do mass AoE power-level.



Superior quality, yes.

While agreeing with you here, I feel like you're kind of omitting the fact EQ was a "new" game during classic. A huge chunk of the P99 pop was between 10-18 when they played on live. There were Tradeskill guilds on live, you would generally ask someone with that tag for crafting before /who'ing. Plus, theres an easily accessible archive of knowledge on this era of EQ that was being learned during live, you couldnt just google search it.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Crawdad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the problem stems from Druid being one of the classes everyone gets told to roll then use to twink "what you really want to play." So you see a lot of people who have no interest in playing Druid other than as a tool to make money. Its a shame, since Druid is a great class in general.

Just to be contrary, I mained a rogue and used her to twink my druid. Honestly, I find druids to be awful money makers unless you use them to power level. Rolling a solo class to play what you really want to play is such horrible advice. Levels are what get you gear. That goes for any class. People should just play what they want.

[pathius41]

Here is a novel idea. If you don't like ports? WALK your happy ass where you want to go. Not everyone has to play the way YOU want to play. As far as porting people around for plat not being classic? I call BS. I was there from day one and remember druids sitting at rings taking plat for ports. Just because someone had brains to organize makes it unclassic? wtf are you smoking?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like you're kind of omitting the fact EQ was a "new" game during classic.

Well, yes, the game is too outdated now. Regardless that doesn't change how the things people are doing these days are bad for the game. This just goes to show why a "coded for classic intent" EQ server is needed, though. The current game is pretty much only an empty time sink at this point, after the initial nostalgia blast.