Trump's Valor

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the current system, no, it won't be fixed as long as the baby boomers are alive. Fixing this problem would require widespread cultural changes away from a growth/consumption driven economy and towards a more sustainable model where we aren't gobbling down resources like fucking outrageous gluttons.

When people like Trump and the Republicans deny facts and evidence regarding climate science, evolution, or any other issue (under considerable influence from energy companies, religious fundamentalists, etc), those cultural changes get stalled. Huge masses of people fall into lockstep with party dogma and it gets reinforced in conservative media that serves the party establishment (just like the liberal side and immigration, social justice, political correctness).

We don't even know for sure if the effects of global warming will be net-negative, but I just want policy to be guided by facts and evidence. The way I see it, this desire to deny global warming and the climactic effects of industry is tied in with our obsession with growth and consumption.

It's called realpolitik duke. pandering to climate change and evolution denial is vital to securing Don the presidency. He's going for a coalition of luddite retards and single-issue homosexual identitarians who remember hillary opposing gay marriage until the last. This is democracy in action.

Good news is TRUMP is clearly smart enough to understand what he is doing, unlike the average career Rebuttlickan.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nevermind that there are a lot of good reasons to oppose coal and other forms of pollution aside from global warming.

See, this is the angle the church should be working. It is clearly a massive piece of common ground between science deniers and the church of climate change. Need a real enemy like cancer or autism, not some intangible supposition that fell outta a hippy's hash pipe.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the current system, no, it won't be fixed as long as the baby boomers are alive and likely long after they are dead. Fixing this problem would require widespread cultural changes away from a growth/consumption driven economy and towards a more sustainable model where we aren't gobbling down resources like fucking outrageous gluttons.

I just can't help but think this is incredibly naive. Yes, the earth is finite and the exponential growth of the economy will soon cease. However, humans are a highly k-selected species with a great deal of practice living in finite spaces. The solution involves killing your neighbor.

I think everyone who grew up before 1960 or so would find this very natural and realistic if slightly depressing, but for the past 50 years or so the West has been suffering from the Leftist delusion, spread by their complete control of the media, that if we just put the Left in charge everyone can have everything they want. It has never worked in the past (Venezuela now has government enforced slavery, hooray) and more and more people are realizing that it will never work in the future.

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See, this is the angle the church should be working. It is clearly a massive piece of common ground between science deniers and the church of climate change. Need a real enemy like cancer or autism, not some intangible supposition that fell outta a hippy's hash pipe.

Incompatible. My favorite developing technology for power generation is cold fusion, by far. Theoretically possible and has come a long way in research thanks to quantum physics. This would also require further development of a space program, which too is a complete joke to the left.

But the left is fully invested into their green energy farce, making money hand over fist and using the whole man made global warming scam to put the chains of global governance around the necks of humanity one UN accord at a time. If the entire world were able to flip on the switch, have power to better grow food and filter clean water to drink, what need would the world any longer have for the UN and globalists?

If the cancer of which they are is not removed, and they picked up actual development of realistic energy technologies, it would only collapse under the weight of their deep corruption thus halting the likelihood of such technology ever being developed.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just can't help but think this is incredibly naive. Yes, the earth is finite and the exponential growth of the economy will soon cease. However, humans are a highly k-selected species with a great deal of practice living in finite spaces. The solution involves killing your neighbor.

I think everyone who grew up before 1960 or so would find this very natural and realistic if slightly depressing, but for the past 50 years or so the West has been suffering from the Leftist delusion, spread by their complete control of the media, that if we just put the Left in charge everyone can have everything they want. It has never worked in the past (Venezuela now has government enforced slavery, hooray) and more and more people are realizing that it will never work in the future.

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

Liberalism and pussy-pacifism don't necessarily go together, even though they've been branded that way. Don't forget that in many ways Hitler and his party were big-time socialists who wanted to create a huge welfare state for German people and loathed some of the more parasitic aspects of free market economics... and were arguably the most "k-selected" people of all time.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't forget that in many ways Hitler and his party were big-time socialists who wanted to create a huge welfare state for German people.

In many ways? You do realize that NAZI stood for NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. rofl

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Highly k-selected people don't care about your plans give everyone a small environmentally friendly slice of the planet. They are going to come fuck you up and take your shit. Trump is their candidate, and if he doesn't work (and he won't, IMO) we will see a war in the near future.

Unfortunately for humanity, democracy favors R-selection [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lune]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In many ways? You do realize that NAZI stood for NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. rofl

Yea, that was their term, but obviously Nazis had their own brand of socialism that was far from pure socialism. Just like how we call Nordic governments democratic-socialists. It isn't about owning the means of production (pure socialism), but it is about having a robust welfare state and investing in your people. Hitler and Germans still strongly believed in private enterprise, it was just subservient to the state's interests.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In many ways? You do realize that NAZI stood for NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. rofl

Yeah, and they acted as fascists from Musolini's model by blending businesses and government so that government controlled the business realm. While consolidating all business dealings into the government, a vast welfare state was created to ensure the strength of the citizenry during the Ein Tausend Jahre Reich.

[Nihilist_santa]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, that was their term, but obviously Nazis had their own brand of socialism that was far from pure socialism. Just like how we call Nordic governments democratic-socialists. It isn't about owning the means of production (pure socialism), but it is about having a robust welfare state and investing in your people. Hitler and Germans still strongly believed in private enterprise, it was just subservient to the state's interests.

No its not. Welfare state has nothing to do with NS. It is utilitarian not egalitarian and is meritocratic. Class doesn't have anything to do with it and is only a distinction made between levels of skill.

A National Socialist economy is not centrally planned, but centrally directed. Central planning involves taking demand for granted and then using the state to regulate supply. Central direction involves determining adequate supply and then using the state to limit demand. Hence a National Socialist economy should not be confused with a mixed-market economy, which is a fundamentally capitalist economy with state intervention in subservience to implicitly capitalist values. Hitler himself had no role in micromanaging the economy of National Socialist Germany, but rather was responsible for preventing the economy (and hence those who would seek to manipulate it by investments) from leading astray the state.

The government guarantees zero unemployment by making it duty of the state to assign a living-wage job to anyone and everyone who wants one. Private businesses, whose task is not to put people to work but to be a reliable provider of their professed products/services, are justified in not hiring more employees than they need to provide their product/service in the required quantity (and no more than this quantity). It therefore falls upon the state to create public works projects – typically in infrastructure, community service or any other field that passively benefits the country as a whole - capable of absorbing all the workers that the private sector cannot absorb, as demonstrated in the Reichsarbeitsdienst and related programs of National Socialist Germany. "

The idea that a national economy needs to constantly grow in order to be healthy is insane. Economic growth implies more consumption, which in turn implies either increasing indulgence by the same number of people or an increasing number of people (or both). A healthy national economy from the National Socialist perspective is simply an economy where nobody is hungry or homeless or otherwise in fear over their imminent future, and where nobody is in debt to anybody else."

The state would be an autarky and completely self sufficient. What could not be generated from the state is acquired through international barter.

Currency is tied to a labor backed system.

"Labor-backed currency alone precludes any shortages or excesses of money in circulation, as the quantity of money in circulation would never have any justifiable reason to be other than directly proportional to the quantity of production within the country. What happens in other countries henceforth becomes economically irrelevant to a National Socialist state. Conversely, a National Socialist state can never be plausibly blamed by other countries for manipulating their economies, as it has explicitly relinquished all means by which it could do so. Furthermore, a National Socialist economy must be one that prevents monetary gain through lease or financial speculation of any kind, which is always reducible to the Jewish idea of profit by possession, the principle behind usury whose mathematically certain conclusion is concentration of all money in the economy under the ownership of the usurers."


"The advantage of a labor-backed currency in this case is that it prevents usurers from disguising their gains behind inflation or other temporal distortions. In a National Socialist state, identification of usurers will be a trivial matter of spotting non-producers who are able to remain solvent."

"The principle that labor should only be employed where necessary in a National Socialist economy completes our understanding of the role of its money. This strictly rejects any use of labor in the production of unnecessary commodities or of any commodity in excessive quantities. The people’s primary concern is assisting in the ennoblement of themselves and others, not producing commodities with which to derive maximum pleasure. A National Socialist economy does not merely oppose excess and espouse moderation, but opposes the very core of consumerism, thereby espousing frugality in all aspects of daily life as an Aryan ideal in its own right."

Would have been interesting to see how that type of system would have played out. They had to acquire massive amounts of gold initially but as the system would have moved away from traditional currency that would not have been a long term issue.