Game Mechanics: Sontalak AE

[Man0warr]

He was a PITA because people were bad and underleveled, and usually only the top guild could kill him. Theres 5 guilds on this server that are equal or better geared to what top guilds were rolling with in 2001.

It's not just Sont though - Klandicar and Zland are also both overtuned because of the AE Fear.

[Arteker]

i had 255 mr and 245 fr as paladin.

i got feared just 1 times, i resisted the aoe fire a bunch of times, untill dispells killed my buffs.

prety much the same happened in live from my personal experience , sontalak was a all or nothing fight .

[Xadion]

I only killed Sont once on live in timeframe and it was all about resisting the fear - your clerics / shaman / druids / pallys could keep everyone going if they didn't get a bad fear on them - I was not very well geared and only got feared 2 times during the fairly long fight and the AoE didn't basically instant kill you like here.... it was more, well exactly like that in era vid that was posted.. I don't see how people are trying to say NOT to make it like what is clearly given in a proper era video that shows how it should be, just because it "has been done" in its current form...

If you had clickies and a bard, like most "dmg+despell+fear" dragons you could survive long enough to win, SKs and Pals had an advantage because they could tap/self heal and live a little longer than if your bard ate a fear and ran off, or cleric got a bad timed fear etc.

[Skew]

6 months into Velious on The Nameless :

Ladies and Gents, this dragon was a blast to fight. A *very* unique encounter compared to most of the other SoV and RoK stuff we're accustomed to. So earlier today I posted on our Forums that we were going to have to start keeeling Sontalak because the other guilds on the The Nameless have finally discovered the Klandicar is the single biggest poosae on the face of Norrath. We start putting together a strat thread and people start posting all the l33t sploits they've heard about in IRC and on other message boards. But rather than try any of those methods, we just decided to see how we did in a straight-up, toe-to-toe with Sontacack. Needless to say, 35 members of LoS >>>>> Sontalak

[Victorio]

Bump

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using thousands of plat in clickies and still barely winning was never required at any point for Sontalak. It's mostly because of the unclassic AE fear not the proc though.

from my experience its totally the proc. The fear can be resisted, if not as well as classic. I've watched that proc eat entire BARD groups in seconds. 4+ procs in under 9 seconds is too much for anyone to heal without the above mentioned clickies.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea I was about to link that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84IeL3I_NWQ

From 0:20 to 1:30 that cleric casts no group heals on his group. They all are slowly taking AOE damage and then at the end of it he casts a group CH to top off his group.

He seems to take AEs (loses buff and Halfling makes audible "I got hit noise" at 0:18, 0:32, 0:50, 1:04, 1:16, 1:30, (he DAs), 2:00, 2:14. Suggesting a 12-14 second delay between AEs... Never once do two AEs come back to back in a 3-5second period.

A few things:

On P99 over that 70 second period you could expect 14-21 Fire AE procs over that duration (assuming 3-5sec between procs like observed last night). That is more than double a fully buffed MT's HP. Yet they seem to have no problem not healing during that period of time.

It is slightly possible he proc'd that much and they just resisted a lot? I doubt this however they may be stacking 255 FR whereas on P99 we are required to stack 255 MR instead.

Which brings me to another point. Again - http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...highlight=Roar - Notice how very few people are eating fears. Trying to cast group CH (12s cast time) on P99 would be absolutely suicide. However here he has no issue because he really never gets feared. Dragon Roar REALLY needs to be put on the correct version with no extra Lure check.

If it is intended to be a proc, it seems to have a recharge on it around 12 seconds. If it intended to be a proc in classic it should have a recast of about 12-14 seconds.

He was certainly harder than the other first brood but he shouldn't be that ridiculous.

Bump.

During Velious live the AE should fire on a 12 second recast, while the proc should be focused on the tank only.

We actually have real video evidence showing this in the 2001 YouTube video. I don't know what evidence was brought forward to claim the AE should be a proc rather than on a timer... But I doubt it is as strong as the 2001 video quoted above.

[nyclin]

bump, i miss you dald <3

[Daldaen]

Bump.

The Char effect that Sontalak currently procs is functioning as an AE. Whenever a mob procs an ability it should convert to be a single targetted spell.

See Zlandicar and Stun Breath as well.

This is a huge balance issue presenting Zlandicar and Sontalak specifically right now. Making the fights far different than they should be. If Sontalak would properly convert his Char Proc to only hit the MT, and have his normal AE firing at 12 seconds this dragon may see his untimely end like he should.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Skew [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Needless to say,35 members of LoS >>>>> Sontalak

It's just common sense that Sontalak shouldn't be nearly this hard.

Live: 35 players
P99: 60 players all stacking resists to 255 with potions and burning 100K in clickies

Switching the Velious dragons to a dragon fear without the -150 mod would help hugely here and is pretty easy to do.

Alternatively, could we switch Sontalak and Vulak's loot tables? That would make for some fun times!