ToV and pulling mobs.

[Pint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keeping targets within each wing along with only a finite number of safe spots will create a raid scene so absurd that no one will win. It will be leapfrogs and trains and accusations of impropriety and all kinds of underhanded shit.

Or it will keep the guilds who cannot compete out of the way and remove the mayhem they are causing from what is alrdy an absurd situation. Ntov is full of places to set up a raid to not be trained, you simply have to clear that area. Even the aary spot in question requires clearing of flurry drakes and static mobs before it can be utilized. Frankly you guys do not know what you're talking about bc you have not taken the time to enter the wing with a raid force and work out how to play inside the wing, instead you want to hang out at the west zone out and train the entire zone for some lucky dragon snipes.

[arsenalpow]

So "compete" but do it your way or it's no longer competition, it's mayhem. Stop being obtuse. The fundamental issue is the overcrowded raid scene, there's never been a situation where 6-8 guilds could be in North simultaneously if they so chose. We need a better solution than no pulling outside of wings when the limited number of safe spots ensures that everyone will be screwed if too many guilds decide to "compete"

Also we don't hang out at west generally.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has been proven multiple times over that ppl in wtov are in fact endangering other ppl in the zone, that's not an opinion, it is a hard fact.

You misunderstood what I meant by saying we herd our cats to west to not endanger people - it is the simplest place to explain to run to and not difficult to set up a mage there either.

If we have stragglers show up in NTOV, there is potential to get wyverns trained by noobs everytime those doors open

WTOV exit is the easiest spot - that is not the zone in - where all Dragon Friendly people can park where it gives you easy access to most of Temple Veeshan for mobilization ( since the zone out is right there )

It is not an ideal spot to pull North mobs too ( esp while Divinity is raiding in the wing )- did I ever say we will continue to butter our bread by pulling North mobs to West ? In fact it has happened I think a whooping two times now - god forbid Takenites trying to play a lil Everquest and pull mobs. It obviously did NOT work out for us and caused alot of issue - will we blindly do the same thing without changing or altering how we did it before - absolutely not, a lot was learned.

You guys are giving us absolutely no credit here and from the looks of it are simply just salty at an isolated event that still could result in a suspension for us or what have you.

I am sorry I am not blindly agreeing to something I dont see a bunch of pro's to agree to as we have not experienced the alternative yet. Why would we agree to something that results in an unknown alternative outcome?

[Pint]

There is nothing obtuse about not wanting to be trained by a guild who is not even in the same wing of a very large zone as you. Even if your guilds were capable of successfully getting the dragon put of these trains and killing more than 1/10 tries, you still cannot control the train after the dragon is split which is a clear violation of the rules alrdy in place. You guys are refusing to move forward with a simple solution bc you're holding out for more concessions to make things easier for you, concessions that are extremely unlikely to materialize with rampage in the game.

[arsenalpow]

BDA has killed Ikatiar twice, and Eashen once. Each time they were pulled out of north. Detoxx screamed about the most recent Ik kill but it was his mage that poked his head outside the cubby and opened the door thus training his raid force.

Ramp likes their spot deep in North past mischief, Forsakengard like the cubby next to Ikatiar, Taken likes West exit, BDA likes East, and Divinity likes all over west. I'm sorry that I don't really have any interest plopping my raid force on top of another guild, or moving in front of another raid force, being forced to clear trash, then getting leapfrogged after we've done the dirty work.

You want to claim leapfrogging is part of raiding? Well so is pulling.

[Pint]

You cannot cross wing pull and control your train long enough to kill the intended target and even if you could the guilds in your path are in no way required to move for you so you are going to train them every single time. So every time you cross wing pull you are breaking a written rule and earning a suspension. 1+1=2 even in p99 believe it or not. I don't even keep track of which specific guilds are responsible for cross wing trains bc it is not relevant, no guild should be doing it period.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing obtuse about not wanting to be trained by a guild who is not even in the same wing of a very large zone as you. Even if your guilds were capable of successfully getting the dragon put of these trains and killing more than 1/10 tries, you still cannot control the train after the dragon is split which is a clear violation of the rules alrdy in place. You guys are refusing to move forward with a simple solution bc you're holding out for more concessions to make things easier for you, concessions that are extremely unlikely to materialize with rampage in the game.

"Control the train" has always referred to not dropping the adds on a waiting raid force. Anytime Detoxx has screamed train from a BDA kill it's been because mobs have pathed back (unaggroed) and hey caught aggro. The rule isn't "take the mobs back to where you found them" You know that.

[Pint]

The door is transparent, it does not matter if it is open or closed...

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The door is transparent, it does not matter if it is open or closed...

So it's not a safe spot at all then, why camp there.

[Pint]

A train is not your responsibility until you drop it where ever that may be, the train is on you until it resets and is no longer a liability to other raids. Now who is being obtuse, you guys are incredible.