This girl is in <BDA>

[bktroost]

I think I saw her today at the Server Wide Ring War. It was easy because there was only one BDA in zone.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think I saw her today at the Server Wide Ring War. It was easy because there was only one BDA in zone.

Don't name her, she'll be pushed down to #1259 on the loot hierarchy for fraternizing with the enemy.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't name her, she'll be pushed down to #1259 on the loot hierarchy for fraternizing with the enemy.

I'm just trolling! pfft come on, there was 0 BDA in attendance.

[Thulghor]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am very curious what your version of a real martial art is. Please advise.

The reason I have a low opinion of anything Taijutsu is how it is taught and represented (Bujinkan and Dux Ryu especially). Most/all places that teach it on the west coast do not teach in any sort of "alive method" (spar with resisting opponents and other such techniques), make excuses like "Our techniques are too deadly for sparring/training," and frequently teach people really wrong things that will get themselves injured or killed in any sort of actual confrontation. If you're just doing it for fun and athletics, sure, go for it. But frequently these places also instill in people the idea that they are a Billy Bad Ass. This is not a good thing. I have yet to hear of any decent schools in this art.

The biggest problem in the martial arts community right now is the lack of any oversight or accreditation. Any asshole can print himself out a nice looking certificate, call himself a black belt in "Swirling Sparkle Unicorn Dragon Kung Fu" and open a school/dojo/dojang, which will more than likely just be a convenient day care center for kids. No one really checks these things.

This is why communities like Bullshido.net exist.

Anyhow, here's my "real" martial arts advice:

Good:
Judo
Muay Thai
American Boxing
Sambo
Brazilian Jiujitsu/Jujutsu/Jiujutsu/Weeaboo
Kyokushin Karate
American Wrestling (yes that shit you learned in high school)
Okinawan Kenpo (unlikely you will ever see this outside of Japan or Hawaii)

Mixed Results
American Kenpo
Jeet Kune Do
Savate
Kajukenbo
Tang/Dang Soo Do
Shotokan Karate (almost at the dubious level)
Japanese Jujutsu

Dubious
Wing Chun
Tae Kwon Do (WTF Standard)
Israeli Krav Maga (unlikely to find this around here)
Other forms of Karate (Goju, Eshin, etc)
Various Animal Style Kung Fu

Ugly
Tae Kwon Do (ATA)
Su Bak Do
Hapkido
Aikido (which is sad, since there is actually some good stuff there)
Systema
American Krav Maga
American Schools of Shaolin Kempo
Anyone who supposedly teaches "authentic Shaolin Temple Kung Fu"
Most "Combatives" schools
Anything Dux Ryu
Anything Bujinkan
Probably all Taijutsu
Any Ninjutsu/Ninja school.

There are probably some I have forgotten about that should be on here. There will also be some outliers. You can actually find decent TKD schools, and decent Kung Fu schools. They're not common though. You can also find some BJJ schools that basically teach lazy crappling. Research is key here.

It all depends on how you train. Alive methodology, physical fitness, consistency.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason I have a low opinion of anything Taijutsu is how it is taught and represented (Bujinkan and Dux Ryu especially). Most/all places that teach it on the west coast do not teach in any sort of "alive method" (spar with resisting opponents and other such techniques), make excuses like "Our techniques are too deadly for sparring/training," ...

I agree with almost everything you said. And, well said sir. Personally I don't think Karate or Tae Kwon Do (American or Hangul style) is bad. Like you said at the end of your post, it depends on how you train and what you take away from it.

Learning balance, which ALL martial arts teach that is ABSOLUTELY invaluable. On a personal note I will tell you the best thing I took away from Budo Taijitsu, and that is rolling. All directions. I was...I am old now, but I was a roll freaking master.

I know it sounds silly, but it can be a life saver.

Anyway, I really enjoyed your response. Thanks for taking your time with all that.

[Nocsucow]

Quit shitting up my thread with fighting styles that I would end in 2 seconds with a kevin nash Powe bomb and a curb stomp.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason I have a low opinion of anything Taijutsu is how it is taught and represented (Bujinkan and Dux Ryu especially). Most/all places that teach it on the west coast do not teach in any sort of "alive method" (spar with resisting opponents and other such techniques), make excuses like "Our techniques are too deadly for sparring/training," and frequently teach people really wrong things that will get themselves injured or killed in any sort of actual confrontation. If you're just doing it for fun and athletics, sure, go for it. But frequently these places also instill in people the idea that they are a Billy Bad Ass. This is not a good thing. I have yet to hear of any decent schools in this art.

The biggest problem in the martial arts community right now is the lack of any oversight or accreditation. Any asshole can print himself out a nice looking certificate, call himself a black belt in "Swirling Sparkle Unicorn Dragon Kung Fu" and open a school/dojo/dojang, which will more than likely just be a convenient day care center for kids. No one really checks these things.

This is why communities like Bullshido.net exist.

Anyhow, here's my "real" martial arts advice:

Good:
Judo
Muay Thai
American Boxing
Sambo
Brazilian Jiujitsu/Jujutsu/Jiujutsu/Weeaboo
Kyokushin Karate
American Wrestling (yes that shit you learned in high school)
Okinawan Kenpo (unlikely you will ever see this outside of Japan or Hawaii)

Mixed Results
American Kenpo
Jeet Kune Do
Savate
Kajukenbo
Tang/Dang Soo Do
Shotokan Karate (almost at the dubious level)
Japanese Jujutsu

Dubious
Wing Chun
Tae Kwon Do (WTF Standard)
Israeli Krav Maga (unlikely to find this around here)
Other forms of Karate (Goju, Eshin, etc)
Various Animal Style Kung Fu

Ugly
Tae Kwon Do (ATA)
Su Bak Do
Hapkido
Aikido (which is sad, since there is actually some good stuff there)
Systema
American Krav Maga
American Schools of Shaolin Kempo
Anyone who supposedly teaches "authentic Shaolin Temple Kung Fu"
Most "Combatives" schools
Anything Dux Ryu
Anything Bujinkan
Probably all Taijutsu
Any Ninjutsu/Ninja school.

There are probably some I have forgotten about that should be on here. There will also be some outliers. You can actually find decent TKD schools, and decent Kung Fu schools. They're not common though. You can also find some BJJ schools that basically teach lazy crappling. Research is key here.

It all depends on how you train. Alive methodology, physical fitness, consistency.

I have 2 pals who were into martial arts... one was into Wing Chun and said he could take me down, and couldn't so I assumed either he was shit or it's not worth doing.

The other one did that dancing type martial art as seen in Tekken by Eddy Gordo - what's that one called?

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu always appealed to me, maybe I'll start and make a thread about it and get a class in while everyone is waiting in line <3

[Sorn]

Originally Posted by Thulghor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The biggest problem in the martial arts community right now is the lack of any oversight or accreditation. Any asshole can print himself out a nice looking certificate, call himself a black belt in "Swirling Sparkle Unicorn Dragon Kung Fu" and open a school/dojo/dojang, which will more than likely just be a convenient day care center for kids. No one really checks these things.

This is why communities like Bullshido.net exist.

I agree that anyone and their cousin can make a martial arts school/club/whatever without any real oversight. It's a problem in my main style (ATA - I'm sure that will instantly prejudice you against me but hear me out). I've trained at two different ATA schools. A friend of mine took over the second school after I moved away and turned it into a club. It's sad that my old instructor decided to move on because she is an excellent teacher and martial artist. My first instructor is still running his school, at least, but we're in different states now. I actually come from the same school as Noah Ringer from the live action Avatar: The Last Airbender movie (which sucked so, so much, but the fights were pretty good).

There was another school in the same city as my second school, called the sister school because the owners are close friends. Most of the students are children. Tons of what we call Tiny Tigers, children between the ages of 3-6 or 7. The owner is a wonderful lady but she really dumbs everything down for the students. It was everything from weak work-outs to teaching only half the form (!!) to students for their belt tests. I wished she wouldn't because they all have the potential to be great, not to mention she has so many more resources than our school, but the extra resources are entirely due to the fact that she's dumbed the curriculum down enough that people aren't inclined to quit after the first couple of lessons. The students occasionally visited our school, but I have the feeling it was viewed as an exercise in masochism and that my instructor scared them. It was funny at first until you realize it discouraged them from visiting, and that if they thought my mild-mannered instructor was scary, they were in for a world of hurt when they tried to get their blackbelts from the EXTREMELY INTENSE Chief Master waiting for them up north. It's like going from yoga class to boot camp for them.

That said, I can't say I hold much respect for the people I see in that Bullshido link you posted. When I clicked on that, I expected posts from people with integrity, discipline, honesty, humility, etc, as well as good physical technique, power, control, and so on, but all I see is a lot of posturing and aggression from people who only want to work on the physical aspects. Just like the schools they jeer at, they don't have any oversight either. The attitudes are really bad. If the school is encouraging this kind of egotistical, violent mindset, then it's just as bad as the schools that like waltzing through daisy fields and waving their hands vaguely in the direction of their enemies.

[Moosetoe]

Originally Posted by bloodmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much, I use to think there was just some bad apples in BDA, turns out the majority are.

Being 100% sincere: I met the first considerate, fun, patient member of BDA almost a week ago that I've been duo/grouping with multiple times every day since. With the bad rap and poor reputation the *guild* has, this was very unexpected.

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by Moosetoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being 100% sincere: I met the first considerate, fun, patient member of BDA almost a week ago that I've been duo/grouping with multiple times every day since. With the bad rap and poor reputation the *guild* has, this was very unexpected.

Thats because chesticles sucks big purple headed yogurt slingers