The Earth stands on the brink of its sixth mass extinction and the fault is ours

[Tradesonred]

Yeah i spend all my waking hours playing EQ, great assessment, i cant wait to hear you speak about the anthropocene.

[Jimjam]

I don't see how living fossils disprove evolution? Surely the logic behind the idea of evolution also suggests evolution stagnates when an effective form is reached?

I'm also interested in which part of evolution you disagree with: that mutations occur, that organisms reproduce and can pass on these mutations or that different mutations will differently affect an organisms chances of survival (thus affecting which mutations persist and which die out)?

Or do you simply refute the idea that a population of organisms can accumulate a sufficient amount of mutations that it will no longer be genetically compatible with a separate (previously similar) population?

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see how living fossils disprove evolution? Surely the logic behind the idea of evolution also suggests evolution stagnates when an effective form is reached?

Because it shows that no amount of time will cause one type of creature will turn into another. It's NEVER been seen to occur. It CANNOT be reproduced via any experiment. Those two facts combined with the fact that even 500 million years is not sufficient time to induce a change completely disproves the idea of evolution from one kind to another.

Or do you simply refute the idea that a population of organisms can accumulate a sufficient amount of mutations that it will no longer be genetically compatible with a separate (previously similar) population?

No. The idea that single celled organisms turned into animals and other advanced life forms. The idea that sea dwelling creatures became land dwelling creatures and vice versa. Fish will always be fish. Whales will always be whales. If it's a sea dwelling creature it will always be one. If it's a land dwelling creature it will always be one. If it's an amphibian it will always be one. No evidence exists whatsoever that demonstrates anything I just said to be false. Science REQUIRES observation and experimentation. These aren't fucking optional like so many dumb fucks apparently think.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because it shows that no amount of time will cause one type of creature will turn into another. It's NEVER been seen to occur. It CANNOT be reproduced via any experiment. Those two facts combined with the fact that even 500 million years is not sufficient time to induce a change completely disproves the idea of evolution from one kind to another.

It certainly shows those specific creatures have not significantly changed over an extended period of time. Living fossil, btw, simply means a creature's closest relatives are extinct.

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. The idea that single celled organisms turned into animals and other advanced life forms. The idea that sea dwelling creatures became land dwelling creatures and vice versa. Fish will always be fish. Whales will always be whales. If it's a sea dwelling creature it will always be one. If it's a land dwelling creature it will always be one. If it's an amphibian it will always be one. No evidence exists whatsoever that demonstrates anything I just said to be false. Science REQUIRES observation and experimentation. These aren't fucking optional like so many dumb fucks apparently think.

So you're saying variation can occur within one type of animal? But with provision that should a population of one type of animal be some how separated those two populations would never accumulate sufficient variation to be incompatible if they were to reunite?

[Tradesonred]

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[paulgiamatti]

Is Luminari G13?

[Tradesonred]

I guess stars just poof into existence as well

You know, since ive never seen a gas cloud become a star before

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess stars just poof into existence as well

You know, since ive never seen a gas cloud become a star before

No they're created just like everything else. Only complete fucking retards think that ultra complex things can magically form on their own.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Luminari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No they're created just like everything else. Only complete fucking retards think that ultra complex things can magically form on their own.

What about complex things formed by lots of simple systems interacting in a way that produces (the illusion) of chaos/complexity?

[Lojik]

Luminari do you believe dinosaurs and humans coexisted?