Hey Forsaken

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when I looked in game yesterday they had many new names that aren't on that list who come from several class R guilds, but I guess what matters is at the time of death of these kills which were their first.

I'd love to see names/numbers to back that up, and I'd like to see the same for the IB/A-Team merger for comparison. However, the fundamental difference between the two situations was killing class R targets. You can't really overlook that.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forsaken dipping into R was grimy and punished accordingly.

And I can understand why you, as leader of a class R guild, feel that way. However, it could have gone either way. I don't agree with you that they did anything wrong. Lol blue, I guess.

[Alarti0001]

This thread is a trap and its really just an indication about how unclear and stupid the raid rules/scene is on blue.

Sirken stated in his stream just the other day that he likes vague raid rules so it limits rule-lawyering. Of course this just allows GM's to hand out suspensions in an uneven and unintelligent manner.

Forsaken is a new entity with new leadership and new DKP. This was raid one for them and the suspension is unbalanced at best... which is another reason Chest would be supporting it.

I do find it funny that Forsaken is suspended but trying to apply past precedent on blue is equally funny. When has precedent ever mattered here? Enjoy lawyerquest.

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to see names/numbers to back that up, and I'd like to see the same for the IB/A-Team merger for comparison. However, the fundamental difference between the two situations was killing class R targets. You can't really overlook that.

According to the raid system they were class R.

The nuance being debated here is what makes you a new entity, which is ruled on with different outcomes according to the number of new players you inject in the said entity.

Had Forsaken had more "new blood", let's say atleast 25 or 30% of new players, I'm sure Rogean would had ruled differently.

However, this ruled isn't stated anywhere, it's totally subjective.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to see names/numbers to back that up, and I'd like to see the same for the IB/A-Team merger for comparison. However, the fundamental difference between the two situations was killing class R targets. You can't really overlook that.

new guild kills what it wants. its like saying if TMO broke up and most of there members joined Taken so now Taken is locked out... idiotic....

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Shinko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hey don't be bashing my great idea chest

Stupid is as stupid does.

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when I looked in game yesterday they had many new names that aren't on that list who come from several class R guilds, but I guess what matters is at the time of death of these kills which were their first.

This guy claims to know everybody in TMO and all of their alts. Must have a mind like a trap.

[Misek84]

Originally Posted by Prismaticshop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forsaken is taking 2 weeks suspension, it's not that bad tbh.

Though you could argue when an new entity is a new entity ?

IB became Rampage : New website (x) , New leadership (x) , New Guild Name (x) , bigger chunk of new players (like 70% of A team came over) , 10 or 15% of IB quit.

TMO Becomes Forsaken : new website (x) , new leadership(x), new guild name (x), some TMO quit, some fresh blood from R guilds (x).

Yet harsh suspension. clear double standard here, but Rogean does what he does, it's his box I guess.

Agree with you fully except with the part that it isnt that harsh. If forshaken was established and "winning" it wouldnt be that harsh. But for a guild just trying to reorganize and get back into it, it is harsh, especially considering velious is around the corner. Momentum is one of the main parts needed to succeed in this game

[bic]

Chest do you ever stop gobblin on cocks and use your brain for a moment?

Chill out on the cock gobblin bro.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This guy claims to know everybody in TMO and all of their alts. Must have a mind like a trap.

It honestly was pretty easy till the geniuses started mass crooting (see Swish's comments on TMO app quality lately). Probably the best way to alienate your senior membership is have a guild get to the point where you don't recognize any of the names in guild chat.

I was always in favor of a more elitist, slower and selective app process to ensure the people with our tag weren't awful. Unfortunately, due to the severe toll it takes on players, Class C raiding is more about a constant supply of warm bodies than anything else.

[Misek84]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd love to see names/numbers to back that up, and I'd like to see the same for the IB/A-Team merger for comparison. However, the fundamental difference between the two situations was killing class R targets. You can't really overlook that.

The fundamental issue is the same: is forshaken a new entity thus allowed to start in class R, or is Rampage a new entity thus exempt from IB suspension. No idea how much more clearer i can get. There are no specific guidelines (75%, etc) but both reforms were basicly the same(new leadership, new dkp, new site). However in one instance staff argued that it was a new entity and that guild got no really penalty but in the other instance they argued it was NOT a new entity and they got a very harsh penalty. By defination it seems biased.