Velzira Petition Clarification

[Veltira]

Jeez dude let it go..

[kildone]

Ok so I lied on the forums? Lets take a look:

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW Velzira you complain that in this one case, you were the first one there. I had bought the FB earring from you because after multiple days of frustration I gave up. The next day I decided to try again. I was there first and you showed up, said Hi Ridez =D and tried to take the kill even though I was there first. There was also two others there before you. Some druid, who shall remain nameless, took it first, but don't tell me you didn't try to take it as well.

I did not say I petitioned the above, but it did happen previously. I wont speak for others but they were there too.

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After reading the rules which state nothing about holding a camp on long timer mobs with no PH, and knowing that showing up first meant nothing to people here, I decided to start gating in right before the timer. I got first engage which also seemed to mean nothing to people here. So I petitioned to ask for rules clarification, not to get you banned or punished or to get the FB earring which I feel I deserved based on the rules.

Oh look I admit to you being there first but I thought FTE was the rule, again see my petition... Oh see here is where I say I petitioned...

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First of all I petitioned for rules clarification. Not for punishment.

Second I had both cases. Once I was there first and once I was not. I petitioned for clarification giving an example to either hear I was correct or I was not.
Third I read the rules wrong, in your opinion, which I could agree with. But please show me with a quote from PnP where it says a static mob is a camp as opposed to a mob with PH(s) such as AC which is FTE. That's what I wanted from my petition, clarification from staff. So that next time I had a camp I could tell other players who showed up and ignored or taunted me that I held the camp and they had to kill me to take the camp.

If that's a scummy move, so be it.

Lastly to bring up tranix as a camp is laughable. To think a group of 50 will not have it stolen by lvl 60? Nobody in their right mind, who has any recent experience with Tranix would honestly believe that. Maybe you are just saying those 60 who steal the mob should be petitioned?

Oh look I said it again

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey you brought it public first, then Sirken posted my name. Don't blame me for airing your dirty laundry, it was already out there. I was just adding my side of the story.

Nobody hurt my feelings in shout, I never said that. I just said that a guildmate of yours added one more piece of evidence that talking to members of your guild does not solve problems.

Colgate is the only guy I ever had a civilized conversation with to date. Just because of that I did not feel it would benefit me to go to your guild leadership before I knew what the rules are. Maybe I would have afterwards, but to day I am only making assumptions, the staff never answered me directly. They only implied saying "Sorry, this has been taken care of"

Don't forget, that during a previous spawn, you did not respect anyone else who had that camp first when you showed up and tried to take the kill. There were two people other than me there.
Just because you happened to be first that one occasion does not mean squat in this.

Don't try to make me feel sorry for what the GMs did, based on your actions. Don't try to tell me that I should show up first and beg you not to take my camp. Or ask you afterwards for charity.

And I said it again...

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once I was there first, he showed up and didn't care that there were a total of three others there before him. Nobody invis, clearly after Hadden, nothing else is there to camp.

I went and read the PnP which I think implies FTE for mobs without PH to keep cleared. Maybe Im wrong, fine, staff could have told me so in my petition.

Based on that info and knowing that people did not respect a typical camp of hadden I tried to take the mob by FTE.
I petitioned "Hey I got my kill stolen twice by two different people. Name A which I wont reveal here and Name B" I base tis claim on FTE. Do I understand the rules or am I mistaken, please let me know...

Here is a log of the latest example ...

Then I get a reply "Sorry this has been taken care of"
Veltira posts a thread he was banned
Sirken posts my name in a report that shows I was FTE

I follow up with my side of the story in hope I can learn the rules for future reference and to get Veltiras ban lifted if it was unjust.

And again

Kill me all you want, but don't call me a liar.

[kildone]

Originally Posted by Veltira [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jeez dude let it go..

Consider it let go. I have said all I could. Just came back one last time to show that I did not lie. It aint worth it for a game.

[Lev_Mer]

I think we all should hug a little. What a satisfying resolution to this pertinent matter.

[Demote]

What a bunch of Blue shit

[Widan]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can see both sides here, one the one hand velzira had the camp first, but on the other hand it was a "special" spawn instead of a standard 20min timer with a set ph that spawns a named. For the same reason you can't camp check say, quillmane. Imo its open to interpretation about who should have the camp. How bout a gm lays down the law and picks one or the other as right and ends the discussion once and for all

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

[BardPop]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, this is wrong. If you don't know the rules don't spread misinformation. Quillmane is not campable because it's a non static outdoor mob. Hadden is a static mob, and thus campable. It's all very clear, no interpretation needed. Feel free to look at the links I posted previously if you do not understand.

Ok so quillmane is a outdoor mob, what's that got to do with anything? Seafuries are outdoor, so is hadden. Furthermore I am pretty sure on blue they a lot each seafury spawn to one person when necessary, so that throws your argument that outdoor roaming mobs can't be camped out the window. If a seafury spawn (roams once it spawns same as quillmane) can be camped why not other things that roam?

[iiNGloriouS]

nobody cares?

[Widan]

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok so quillmane is a outdoor mob, what's that got to do with anything? Seafuries are outdoor, so is hadden.

Outdoor non static mobs path much further than indoor non static mobs for obvious reasons. Quillmane and seafuries are non static. Hadden is static. Do you know what the word static means and how it differs from non static?

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Furthermore I am pretty sure on blue they a lot each seafury spawn to one person when necessary, so that throws your argument that outdoor roaming mobs can't be camped out the window. If a seafury spawn (roams once it spawns same as quillmane) can be camped why not other things that roam?

Seafuries are FTE as they are non static.

Originally Posted by BardPop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point with the above post is essentially that its open to interpretation, where you are trying to say that your opinion is better then every other interpretation for no reason I can see

It's not open to interpretation. I linked quotes to 3 different GM's/former GM's on this server that all say similar things about camps. I am basing it off their decisions/opinions, not my own. The rules could certainly use with some consolidating after they removed the Camps, Defined thread, but they aren't unclear.

[BardPop]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Outdoor non static mobs path much further than indoor non static mobs for obvious reasons. Quillmane and seafuries are non static. Hadden is static. Do you know what the word static means and how it differs from non static?



Seafuries are FTE as they are non static.



It's not open to interpretation. I linked quotes to 3 different GM's/former GM's on this server that all say similar things about camps. I am basing it off their decisions/opinions, not my own. The rules could certainly use with some consolidating after they removed the Camps, Defined thread, but they aren't unclear.

God your such an ass.

Tmo?