Isn't there a better way to distribute raid loot? If not which is most fair?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DKP awards those who most deserve it in EverQuest, because to "fight" you press Q and stand somewhere for X minutes. The only factor of "skill" in raiding with the huge guilds and 30-second 32k mob fights we have is attendance/batphoning.

That's why non-instanced raiding is so unattractive.

"Skill"/attendance is not necessarily what makes people deserving.

[dontbanpls]

Join Red if you want to be a part of the only 100% fair raid reward policy.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171751


<Fresh> is the only guild on either server that has fun as a top priority and it just so happens we are the only guild on either server with a transparent and fair loot system.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by dontbanpls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Teneran]

Originally Posted by cbozeman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DKP doesn't reward skill, and never has, and never will. That's it biggest short-coming.

There's a reason all the best WOW guilds (and FF14 guilds for that matter) use loot council; because the best loot needs to be in the hands of the best players if you expect to advance.

That said... you don't have this problem in Project 1999, since you'll be stuck in an expansion for years at a time - maybe forever! So all the baddies can rely on DKP and know they'll eventually get whatever they want.

Subjective loot councils are garbage by the way. SK Gaming did a YouTube interview back in the World of Warcraft Tier 10 raiding days (Icecrown Citadel), where one of their officers was saying, "Perhaps one person stood in something and got hit with it 2, or maybe 3 times in a fight... that would probably disqualify them from getting the loot."

Everything else was expected:

* Expected to be at each raid.
* Expected to be on time.
* Expected to have all consumables ready to go.
* Expected to be pushing max DPS / healing efficiency / tanking.

If you want a truly fair system, you need an objective loot council that scours through the combat log after every fight / during every fight and qualifies / disqualifies people based on their performance. Attendance, etc. should all be a given.

Yea, after all <Afterlife> never really advanced in EQ after they implemented DKP ...

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[dontbanpls]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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thanks bud i have 15 best in slot characters red is the best

[HalflingWarrior]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it has it's down sides. Yes, you're being overly worried about not getting pixels and that screams loot whore to me which could turn into an amusingly ironic self fulfilling prophecy.

tl;dr: Guilds that lack fair loot practices will get a bad reputation for doing so and be mercilessly ridiculed for it.

1) Nice victim-blaming here. How could it be a "self-fulfilling prophecy" when other people, the so called "loot council," are completely in charge?

2) A bad reputation? On P99? BAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Reputation basically means NOTHING here; certainly relative to the importance of player/guild reputation on live.

[Cecily]

1) He's freaking out about (potentially) not getting loot. That's a classic loot whore personality trait. Loot whore pisses off loot council who skips that person over.
Prophecy fulfilled.

2) Reputation is everything. Who wants to be in BDA?

[cbozeman]

Originally Posted by Teneran [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, after all <Afterlife> never really advanced in EQ after they implemented DKP ...

I never said you can't have a great guild that will go places with DKP, I just said, look at all the very best guilds on nearly any MMO... its almost always loot council, and a very rigorous objective one at that.

By the way, did you know anyone from <Afterlife>? I'm trying to track down two people... I don't know for sure what their character names were there, but they went by Morden & Frostwave on Turalyon of the World of Warcraft server. They were two of my best officers in the guilds I led there.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2) Reputation is everything. Who wants to be in BDA?

Everybody here hates everybody else. All guilds have a bad reputation.