Your options are...

[Swish]

the question is, do you duck/cancel sunstrike on all wizards before the engage or go straight in knowing you're about to die in a horrible mess where everyone logs in their raiding wizards for "nuke roulette"?

it wouldnt end well and wouldnt represent a classic engage anymore (warriors, CH rotation, etc)

[Bristlebard]

Classic engage? Has that ever existed on p99? Are you just using the word classic for shits and giggles?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Bristlebard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic engage? Has that ever existed on p99? Are you just using the word classic for shits and giggles?

You're either stupid or trolling. I think (and hope) it's the latter... unless you don't consider using a warrior/cleric CH rotation as the traditional way to take down dragon_x/y.

What you're suggesting is a server without GMs. Sirken recently said he was ending the 'wild west' environment on red... imagine what 100s of pixel hungry nerds could be capable of on blue with GMs absent completely.

[Bristlebard]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're either stupid or trolling. I think (and hope) it's the latter... unless you don't consider using a warrior/cleric CH rotation as the traditional way to take down dragon_x/y.

What you're suggesting is a server without GMs. Sirken recently said he was ending the 'wild west' environment on red... imagine what 100s of pixel hungry nerds could be capable of on blue with GMs absent completely.

You're wrong all over.

First off, very little of a DA-initiated, full mallet into the boss, 30-second kill of a Kunark raid boss while the raid is drinking stinging wort pots and clicking reapers/soulfires is "classic" in the sense that it was typically seen in 2000. And that doesn't even get to the number of guilds in the raid scene here, the way races to engage happen, the lack of repops on the server compared to more-than-weekly on live, and all that other stuff. And I think you know this goes on, and I think you know that it wasn't how things went down back in the day, and I think you're just using word "classic" because you think it suits whatever argument you were trying to make.

And I definitely did not suggest a server without GMs. I suggested raid-specific rules (so all of the rotation this, class C that, log out here, you're blacked out, all that crap) be removed. Rules that are always in place, no training, no cheating, etc., would remain. The staff just wouldn't be arbitrating FTEs and watching for stalling and all of that all the time.

[Bristlebard]

Anyways. I never said my suggestion would be even close to ideal. But it could not possibly be less retarded than anything else that has happened in the server's raid scene... plus it doesn't require the staff to babysit these guilds all the time.

[Daldaen]

32k Dragons... Ehh bit less so. With AE damage and AE fear, CH gets used very rarely on outdoor Dragons.

Regardless.

Remove Variance.

[Swish]

No you're wrong all over!

If you're enforcing no training/no cheating you'll need a GM present or at least some fraps evidence for a lengthy ElfQuest lawsuit... and punishing/judging a guild for those actions? Well shit, you'll need a GM son.

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[Erati]

I know its hard to believe but saying if we want to compete we should join Class C is beyond dumb.

Class C is about VP access period.

No guild would become Class C without first becoming VP ready else you are literally cutting off 6 of the tastiest mobs avail to the Class.

Moving to Class C so we can compete on Talendor 2 out of the 3 weeks is beyond stupid and anyone that keeps suggesting as such needs to rethink what they are saying.

Class C is where the true neckbeards flock, the two guilds there have probably an overwhelming majority of that type of player when compared to Class R guilds- because lets face it- in the past the TMOs and IBs were where all the elite neckbeards defected from their respective leveling guilds for, which is fine thats EQ.

But to expect BDA or Taken to suddenly have a similiar amount of neckbeards ( when many of our most neckbeardy players have long jumped ship ) to compete with TMO/IB on not just a weekly basis but also on nearly 3X as many targets is guild suicide.

No thanks.

[Mendo]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know its hard to believe but saying if we want to compete we should join Class C is beyond dumb.

Class C is about VP access period.

No guild would become Class C without first becoming VP ready else you are literally cutting off 6 of the tastiest mobs avail to the Class.

Moving to Class C so we can compete on Talendor 2 out of the 3 weeks is beyond stupid and anyone that keeps suggesting as such needs to rethink what they are saying.

Class C is where the true neckbeards flock, the two guilds there have probably an overwhelming majority of that type of player when compared to Class R guilds- because lets face it- in the past the TMOs and IBs were where all the elite neckbeards defected from their respective leveling guilds for, which is fine thats EQ.

But to expect BDA or Taken to suddenly have a similiar amount of neckbeards ( when many of our most neckbeardy players have long jumped ship ) to compete with TMO/IB on not just a weekly basis but also on nearly 3X as many targets is guild suicide.

No thanks.

IB got their keys through competition, no?

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Mendo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB got their keys through competition, no?

I'd bet the majority of the current active crop of TMO/IB got their teeth from Class R MQ's or were ex-Class R folks who got their teeth from the rotation.