Feminism today

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me start by saying that I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, because people have said more ridiculous things in all seriousness.

I'm serious, no trolling here.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Men and women get paid the same under the same circumstances. The numbers youre looking at are taking into account the average pay by gender but the flaw lies in the fact that they take into account the entire population for each gender based on the census. More women choose to stay at home to be moms or simply dont have to work, and if youve ever been to school you;d know that throwing a 0 into the numbers used for an average will drop it noticeably.

So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

A 2010 study by Catalyst, a nonprofit that works to expand opportunities for women in business, of male and female MBA graduates found that after controlling for career aspirations, parental status, years of experience, industry, and other variables, male graduates are more likely to be assigned jobs of higher rank and responsibility and earn, on average, $4,600 more than women in their first post-MBA jobs.[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes men and women can both join any branch of the military, as there isnt any gender discrimination there either. Although men are required to sign up for the draft in order to get things like the right to vote, a driver's license, mail, social security ect whereas women are given these things without any sort of participation in selective services.

I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

ARMY SPECIAL FORCES QUALIFICATIONS
To become part of the Army's Green Berets, you need to be mentally and physically tough, endure difficult training and face challenges head-on. In addition, to qualify for the Special Forces contract you must meet the following criteria:
Be a male, age 20-30 (Special Forces positions are not open to women)

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rape is personal. Rape isn't a systemic thing, therefor it isn't "oppression" or "inequality".

So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has always happened, it always will happen. I can't think of a single mammalian species where rape doesnt occur. It's one of those ugly parts of nature, though that doesn't mean it should happen.

And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol if little girls want to play with G.I. Joes, good for them. Don't forget about natural instinct and the inherit gender roles they steer one gender or another towards. Little girls are naturally inclined to be more interested in that doll than that toy sword.

How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Playing with barbies or legos isn't going to make you any more or less susceptible to rape. That's ridiculous. As for female video game protagonists?

So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Little boys aren't taught to be aggressive and take what they want,

Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

[loramin]

P.S. This is the study I'm referring to:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/01...e-is-rape.html

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Do you blame men for you being wrong?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you blame men for you being wrong?

Well before I answer that, when did you stop beating your wife?

[2pacalypse]

serious question, is anyone here actually pathetic enough to have read every post in this thread? i am pleased to say i did not complete reading even OP fully before penning this reply

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm serious, no trolling here.



So your argument is that the entirety of the wage gap between men and women can be explained by women being stay at home moms?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2..._United_States




I misspoke (sorry, not a military person): instead of "branch" I meant "division" or "unit" or something. But women definitely can NOT do everything men can in the military:

http://www.military.com/special-oper...al-forces.html



So what if there was a mass clown-raping spree, and suddenly anyone with a red nose had to live in far more fear of being raped than everyone else; would it just be a "personal" issue for those clowns, or would it be a systemic clown problem?

EVERY woman is affected by rape, even if they are never themselves raped, because they have to live in fear of it. They are taught not to be alone at night, not to let themselves be alone with men, etc. It's like when police murder black people: they don't have to murder every black person to make black people start fearing the police.


And yet in societies where women are more equal the rape rate goes down, and in societies where women are less equal it goes up. Maybe it's NOT just an inherent, unavoidable thing, maybe it has to do with our societal gender roles.


How many barbies did you play with as a child? Children are socialized in to their gender roles from a very early age: if you track babies eye movements, you will find they pay more attention to men in women's clothing or vice versa, because before they can even speak they've already learned gender roles.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



So you don't think little girls practicing child rearing, dress up, baking, etc. while little boys practicing war, robots, etc. is going to have any effect whatsoever on how those two kids grow up? Really?


Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Being stay at home moms is part of it, yes. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some women who got their MBAs simply chose to start a family and not work because their husbands make enough for them to do that? Did you consider that women (because of genetic predispositions- again) are more likely to pursue careers like teaching, which have lower salaries than say business? Also that study by a feminist group DEFINITELY isnt biased or flawed in a way that would support the claims of feminists lol..


People who are raped are affected by rape. What youre saying devalues what they've been through by saying you suffer from the same thing. That's pretty narcissistic of you. When a cop shoots a black person, its because they're doing something like attacking a cop after robbing a convenience store. Not because theyre black. If you don't attack cops, you dont have to worry.



As far as the military goes.. Do you think you'd actually enjoy being shot at? I can tell you from experience it isn't very pleasant to have pieces of metal coming at you faster than the speed of sound. And you went so far as to mention special forces specifically lol. You would fucking die in training if you went up for marine recon. Men and women are different physically. You cannot deny that, nor can you reasonably blame men for evolution. Your testosterone levels are dwarfed by male standards. Testosterone is the hormone that promotes muscle growth and aggressiveness. Women simply aren't designed for the same levels of physical exertion as men. A combat zone devoid of backup is not the place for you to get that fact through your head.

I promise you, there was nothing out on the savanah when we were evolving that looked like GI Joe or Barbie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're really proving my point about natural disposition here. Back when we were evolving women were still women, even without barbies. It wasn't like everyone was butch before the invention of the doll. In fact i can almost guarantee that instances of rape were FAR more common then. Let's use your logic and say that barbie dolls actually decrease the chances of someone being raped.



You say maybe women should be more aggressive and take what they want like supposedly males are taught to do, yet all you do is cry about it in an elf sim forum in stead of taking your own advice. If there ARE women-specific issues that need to be addressed, maybe its women's fault for not doing anything but whining about them.

Then why do so many of them commit rape? There was a recent study done that asked "if you knew you would never get caught", would you A) "rape", and B) force a woman to have sex with you. Something like a third of the men answered yes to B), so clearly we as a society are teaching them something.

Or maybe your totally 130% legit non-biased definitely not fabricating results to push a political agenda feminist organizations are just lying to rustle your petticoat because that's how they make money. "so many of them" don't commit rape. I've known hundreds of other males and none of us are or were rapists.. So where are these frothing hordes of chest-beating rapist baboons you're referring to?

Susan B Anthony would slap the teeth out of you. Youre a satirical caricature of actual feminism and you should be absolutely ashamed.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've known hundreds of other males and none of us are or were rapists.. So where are these frothing hordes of chest-beating rapist baboons you're referring to?

Wow, talk about missing the point. That thing flew so high over your head it has officially left orbit.

[2pacalypse]

Originally Posted by 2pacalypse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

serious question, is anyone here actually pathetic enough to have read every post in this thread? i am pleased to say i did not complete reading even OP fully before penning this reply

holy shit checking up on replies to this led me appx this far down the following post before I noped:

Originally Posted by formshifter

Being stay at home moms is part of it, yes. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some women who got their MBAs simply chose to start a family and not work because their husbands make enough for them to do that? Did you consider that women (because of genetic predispositions- again) are more likely to pursue careers like teaching

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[2pacalypse]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being stay at home moms is part of it, yes. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some women who got their MBAs simply chose to start a family and not work because their husbands make enough for them to do that? Did you consider that women (because of genetic predispositions- again) are more likely to pursue careers like teaching

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[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well before I answer that, when did you stop beating your wife?

Why would i beat my wife?