Raid Rule Madness

[Hitpoint]

Bda*

That actually was not on purpose.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Taken wasn't wiping, then why did BDA run in and kill it? It was clearly over.

This is going to be hard to accept, but some people don't get off on pixel denial. BDA attacked naggy cause we wanted to punch a dragon. We'd been camped out there all day and tracking the mob (probably from the zone line or with lvl 53+ trackers, but whatever) and didn't want all that time to be wasted and not get to beat up a dragon. We still enjoy the content of this game.

No malice towards TMO was intended and yet Unbrella has this strange hard on for making peoples lives miserable and strangely the GMs agreed with him. Consequently we ended up with a 4 month Nagafen ban, so that seems fair.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Irrelevant again. It doesn't and never did matter whether taken was wiping. Did or didn't bad help them kill naggy?

not irrelevant. how do you know that BDA wasn't just being friendly to help them finish the mob after they knew Taken wasn't going to wipe? the best part about having competition is to be friendly after you know you've lost. we all know that TMO is incapable of actual friendly competition, though.

and friendly competition is NOT against the rules, and if it is, the rule REALLY needs to be changed before velious drops because i don't really see the harm in tagging a faction hit when someone is already killing tormax/dain/yelinak.

by the way, you should really leave the lying and the spinning to piggles and retardi. you seem really bad at it. TMO must really be hurting for PR people if you've all they've got any more. why isn't dumbrella in here to defend this himself?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not irrelevant. how do you know that BDA wasn't just being friendly to help them finish the mob after they knew Taken wasn't going to wipe? the best part about having competition is to be friendly after you know you've lost. we all know that TMO is incapable of actual friendly competition, though.

and friendly competition is NOT against the rules, and if it is, the rule REALLY needs to be changed before velious drops because i don't really see the harm in tagging a faction hit when someone is already killing tormax/dain/yelinak.

by the way, you should really leave the lying and the spinning to piggles and retardi. you seem really bad at it. TMO must really be hurting for PR people if you've all they've got any more. why isn't dumbrella in here to defend this himself?

I don't have a problem with friendly competition. I'm just explaining what happened and why it happened.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a problem with friendly competition. I'm just explaining what happened and why it happened.

no, at this point, you're assumed to be lying because you won't post the proof that what you say is even true, and you just divert or redirect every time you're asked only further cementing the assumption that you are in fact a liar.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is going to be hard to accept, but some people don't get off on pixel denial. BDA attacked naggy cause we wanted to punch a dragon. We'd been camped out there all day and tracking the mob (probably from the zone line or with lvl 53+ trackers, but whatever) and didn't want all that time to be wasted and not get to beat up a dragon. We still enjoy the content of this game.

No malice towards TMO was intended and yet Unbrella has this strange hard on for making peoples lives miserable and strangely the GMs agreed with him. Consequently we ended up with a 4 month Nagafen ban, so that seems fair.

i think this pretty much confirms what i've said. TMO's whole premise for complaint here was that taken was wiping and that they were ultimately denied pixels due to another raid's interference. the claim that taken was wiping cannot be substantiated (there's no proof), so as far as any actually logical person can tell here, they're just whining that they got beat to the FTE and want to make excuses about it.

also, there's no way to tell whether or not TMO would have been the ones to get the second FTE, so their claim is even more invalidated because the other raid force would have been just as likely to get the next FTE as they were so it was clearly not in their best interest to interfere on a wipe.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Just facts [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny how OP and the rest of the so called righteous people of this server pretend that if AG and the rest of the guilds that tracked on the spawn spot hadn't messed up, Taken would have not have had FTE on that dragon....

Did everyone miss the GM log posts?
That clearly showed that the Taken guild FTE player was 11 sec ahead of the next FTE attempt to attack the dragon before TMO.

Basically TWO guilds in that log has their FTE players tag first, without having their trackers get aggro first, Taken & TMO, and Taken FTE player was 11 sec ahead of TMO. (I would guess because TMO's mage got feared, due to the raid interfering from the other guilds, and were prevented from casting their coth spells, it's the same thing as training another guilds tracker, every tracker on the spawn spot should be happy that TMO did not go for raid suspensions for the raid interference from the other guilds on the spawn spot)

What is most surprising is why Taken & TMO didn't petition all the others for raid interfering.

FACTS: if the trackers from the other guilds hadn't messed up the tracking by standing on the spawn spot, it would have been a Taken vs TMO race, Taken because they had their trackers out of range of spawn aggro and TMO because they made sure their Tracker didn't get first aggro.

FACTS: TMO's attempt was interfered with due to other guilds having KOS trackers on the spawn spot, basically TMO was forced to give TAKEN a head start of the duration on the fear spell = giving Taken a free shot at the dragon.

IF anyone should be pissed right now it's TMO that had their attempt interfered with by the guilds that had their KOS trackers on the spawn.

it's not supprising that the other guild are trying to shift the focus and blame to someone else other then them selfs and from what I've seen sofar it looks like it's working, as far as I know TMO has not petitioned AG/IB/BDA for raid interfering with their attempt at a FFA dragon forcing them to give TAKEN guild a free shot at a dragon.

Keep creating new posts and maybe someone from TMO might create that petition and have the three guilds suspended.

You sir are fucking all kinda of extra.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO's whole premise for complaint here was that taken was wiping and that they were ultimately denied pixels due to another raid's interference. .

TMO's personal complaint was BDA's assistance to a wiping force. TMO's actual complaint was about a violation of the tracker/FTE/Engagement rule. Draw whatever conclusions you will about motivation.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO's actual complaint was about a violation of the tracker/FTE/Engagement rule. Draw whatever conclusions you will about motivation.

motivation is irrelevant. what happened at that naggy wasn't against the rules. as i said before, if it is, it needs to be changed before velious drops so that people aren't raid suspended for tagging faction hits off tormax/dain/yelinak.

[kotton05]

I love the derp all over.

Wonder how long till this is locked