Building a Mosque??? WTF

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Erasong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember the HUGE civil unrest in IRan recently over the elections? Ya definitely a people in full support of their government.

To the best of my knowledge the civil unrest was surrounding the election fraud of their president (aka, their civil secular leader---at least in name). It wasn't in protest of the "Supreme Leader" (aka, their real leader). The theocracy wasn't being challenged, only the secular arm of their government.

I do agree with you though that the unrest in Iran is a good sign for democracy in Iran...and is a good example pointing out how Iran may not always be a backwards theocracy someday in the future.

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, the point is that it isn't a symmetrical counter example. Are you seriously going to compare a small splinter group in Uganda that is tied up in all kinds of other political issues to the Islamic countries that have state wide policies of violent islam?

A small splinter group yes. Why don't you compare the estimated number of people in the LRA with the estimated number of people in Al-Qaeda?

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You miss the point completely by hunting for examples of Christians who do bad things. The scale of the violence between Christians and Muslims is not balanced.

You're right. Far more people have been killed in history by Christians than by Muslims.

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The largest Christian countries in the world are not executing policies of religious hatred. The largest Muslim countries in the world do.

Once again, you are associating dictatorial governments with citizens of those governments. Not everywhere in the world is it as easy to leave a country as it is in America. Many people do not have such freedoms.

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most American Muslims that I know are desperate to divorce themselves from being identified with the type of Islam that rules the middle east.

I truly believe if you met the average Middle-eastern Muslim your opinion of Islam would be drastically altered.

[purist]

Fastboy can you stop talking now? If you read a newspaper at all you'd know that the people protesting were chanting "Death to the Dictator" (clearly referring to the Supreme Leader) and openly defying the Iranian supreme leader's command not to demonstrate in the streets (and instead take to the limits of their cleric-lead system).

[fastboy21]

We can agree to disagree. I simply think radical Islam is a FAR bigger player in the modern world than radical christianity. It isn't about any one group of terrorists, christian or muslim.

I don't think the "average" middle eastern muslim wants to cut off my head...I never said that. I do believe that the average middle eastern muslim is not violent at all. But the forces of radicalism are much closer to the forefront of middle eastern countries than in Christian countries. That is all I am saying: the split is not 50-50. In today's world radical islam is a far bigger problem than radical christianity. this statement isn't based in racism or hatred, its a fair analysis of the current hot-bed of the world geopolitical problems today.

If we want to address why so much radicalism is gripping the middle east we have to be honest that it exists and is not just the media spinning the facts.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by purist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fastboy can you stop talking now? If you read a newspaper at all you'd know that the people protesting were chanting "Death to the Dictator" (clearly referring to the Supreme Leader) and openly defying the Iranian supreme leader's command not to demonstrate in the streets (and instead take to the limits of their cleric-lead system).

Why were they protesting? It was because of the secular election fraud of their president. Sans election fraud no protests...

I already said that I thought it was a good sign for budding democracy in Iran. Growth of democracy would mean a simultaneous demise of their theocracy, at least in the form that it exists today. I never said otherwise.

[Enderenter]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can agree to disagree. I simply think radical Islam is a FAR bigger player in the modern world than radical christianity. It isn't about any one group of terrorists, christian or muslim.

The widespread perception of Islam is that it is radical, which in reality that is far from the truth, which is what I was trying to point out with the radical Christian groups.

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think the "average" middle eastern muslim wants to cut off my head...I never said that. I do believe that the average middle eastern muslim is not violent at all. But the forces of radicalism are much closer to the forefront of middle eastern countries than in Christian countries. That is all I am saying: the split is not 50-50. In today's world radical islam is a far bigger problem than radical christianity. this statement isn't based in racism or hatred, its a fair analysis of the current hot-bed of the world geopolitical problems today.

This is good to hear. I wholly agree with you about radical Islam being at the forefront of several state-governments - though even Saudi Arabia is very much against Al-Qaeda.

Islamic extremism (Al-Qaeda) and Islamic radicalism (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran) are 2 very different things which are often confused. Extremists are the ones behind the attacks on 9/11. Radicals are against the policies of America and view American culture as immoral, evil and so forth, but are not seeking the destruction of American citizens, even if they wish for the downfall of the American Government.

[Slade_the_Slide]

Not a mosque.

It's a community center, that happens to have a prayer room.

It's not by ground zero, it's blocks away.

There's already a mosque near ground zero anyway.

If it was a church or synagogue, no one would have made a peep.

It's their right. Deal with it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So with the recent cluster fuck of opinions on here given by people that carry absoletly no weight in the real world (besides the 385lbs they carry to and from the fridge to the computer)

I'd like to see what peoples opinions are on the Mosque being build at ground zero in New York.

First I'd like to say I am not against their constitutional right to build it there.....I am against their purpose of building it there.

How did he get 100 million dollars in a year after waiting tables......
Why do they want to do it........
What are their intentions???

Eh...

Their intentions are to pray to the WRONG GOD. BURN THAT MOTHERFUCKER DOWN ARARWRAR

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Eternal-Elf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So with the recent cluster fuck of opinions on here given by people that carry absoletly no weight in the real world (besides the 385lbs they carry to and from the fridge to the computer)

I'd like to see what peoples opinions are on the Mosque being build at ground zero in New York.

First I'd like to say I am not against their constitutional right to build it there.....I am against their purpose of building it there.

How did he get 100 million dollars in a year after waiting tables......
Why do they want to do it........
What are their intentions???

Eh...

Shit this Headline is making rounds today:

(Is your real name Scott Gentries, elf?)

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Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About Muslims

August 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35

SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.

"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."

[Taxi]

Timothy McVeigh, christian, bombs oklahoma city. No more churches around the place, because you know, he was christian?