Bard swarming ruins classic experience.

[Tewaz]

AoE'd cougars in Velious running backwards like a boss in 2001. Confirmed classic.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All DoTs decrease by 33% when a mob is mobile. Fleeing/stationary mobs take full damage.

That was removed before PoP. But it was from classic until it was removed.

I'm saying bard AE songs shouldn't be special and avoid that 33% cut in efficiency when the mob is moving. AE songs not doing damage on a moving mob was something else entirely (that was LoY)

Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't stop bards. They would just tie up mobs longer.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All DoTs decrease by 33% when a mob is mobile. Fleeing/stationary mobs take full damage.

That was removed before PoP. But it was from classic until it was removed.

BUT it wasn't in first rev of classic, I remember when SoE added it becuse everyone used to qq about Druids being OP because of them discovering kiteing and it was Soe's solution to make it less powerful [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My roommate was one of those people, always QQ and throwing his hands up in the air every time he saw a druid.. also druids were like notorious Player killers (we played on rallos zek) so it made us hate them even more, getting free xp, alone and able to be jerks to people and kill them when they are lowhp in a group.

Xblit Shouts: Dont group with Azzure he is a PK!
Azzure shouts: lol thanks for DWboots, I kite solo thx la~

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This may be a factor of the "3 second delay" mobs have on aggro. So when a freshly spawned mob enters the world, there is a small delay where it will not aggro anyone. This is noticeable when you turn in your pearl to Ragefire and he goes KoS.

Possibly the mobs consider a charmed mob, freshly spawned? And they won't proxy aggro it for 3 seconds. Or it's something else entirely.

But yea, it didn't require a second loop around during classic. It would immediately swap over to your mob the second your pet hit any social mob in your pack.

Agro checks seem to be temporally sparse in general. This is very noticeable running around with selo's well-within mob agro range but mobs don't agro because I run through too quickly (I assume). Sometimes when building up a kite of non-social mobs I have to stand next to a blue mob for several seconds before it decides to agro me.

Also yeah it's clear that cutting down bard damage on mobs would just make bards kite for longer, and kite more mobs at once. Contrary to popular opinion there are enough bards out there who only take 15-20 mobs. If you cut their damage in half they'd just take 30-40 mobs for longer periods of time. No exp loss to them, but exp loss to others in zone.

If you really want to nerf the AE kite the only way would be things like limiting the number of targets the dot can hit. But devs probably don't want to introduce non-classic stuff like this.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't stop bards. They would just tie up mobs longer.

Only really care about classic :/. So if it ties them up longer, then that's classic.

But I'd be very surprised if the AE DoTs were the only ones that bypasses the 1/3rd moving penalty. Then again, bard songs were coded by aliens so who knows.

[rxfh]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can petition if you feel a player is taking up too many mobs in a zone.

We do appreciate it if you attempt polite conversation with the player you are petitiong first, however, and try to work something out so that everyone can share the zone in peace - this is almost always the first thing I will do when called into a situation like this. Obviously if a compromised can't be reached for whatever reason, I'll usually just limit the bard to a single camp and they'll leave on their own accord (after raging at me in tells for a bit).

Bottom line, for me, is that I'm more interested in making sure the group of 6 trying to XP has mobs to kill than the 1 bard PL'ing someone for platinum. This goes double for newbie zones, where a lot of people get their first impression of P99 and really start to "relive" Everquest.

Thanks for the reply. I usually do send a tell, and a few times have come to an understanding, but in general I just get ignored. It's not worth it for me to petition or find a new zone, I usually just log and check back a few hours or days later.

Unfortunately the 'play nice' rules require a level of civility and responsibility from people which is asking a lot, more than most seem to be able to muster. I find technical solutions work better when possible, but can only imagine how the various coding scenarios would break things at a fundamental level in EQ.

If it's as big of a problem in Velious, I'll just move on (or get my shinebox or whatever). I want to relive the classic vibe and exp where I did originally, not beg for scraps and hope someone is nice enough to leave a few mobs behind so they can be selfish.

PS - to the "omg kiting is totally classic" crowd - be serious - it was never 20+ mobs in a pull. It was more like 4-6, not a zone-destroying kites.

PPS - I'm not worked up over any of it, and really appreciate the hard work the volunteer staff puts in - we're mostly all older and have real jobs / kids etc these days [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I have limited gaming time, if it's not fun to me I'm not gonna invest the small amount of time I do have

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by rxfh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(or get my shinebox or whatever)

ah hey man I didn't mean anything negative I was just messin' around with ya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] not like filthy trolling but like just like lighthearted trolling.

Dont go! stay! There is plenty of eq to see, actually there is a vast majority of EQ to see and enjoy that bards cant kite!

I don't really like to ruin anyone's day not here [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[dankzilla]

I am a BARD and I am free TO RUN AS FAST AS I PLEASE! Hear me roar, for I will run as many circles around the Overthere as I desire.

[Clark]

Should be nerfed.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should be nerfed.