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[Slathar]

You are an idiot and a retard Tradesonred.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are an idiot and a retard Tradesonred.

thanks for your wisdom filled insight into the subject, adolf

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well i know racism is a cancer in america

It doesnt take a PHD in STL culture to find something wrong about cops tear gassing cameras

Video footage doesnt lie, i film in Montreal im used to this, media coverage is so bad these days that all you have to do as a citizen to do a better job than corporate media is point a camera at whats going on and roll.

Thats the reason why cops go after citizens filming cop operations, because justice is rotten but those images win the people's court (as you can tell by todays total turn around in cop response to peaceful protests)

The fact i seem more informed than you guys living blocks away tells me you arent interested or dont know how to get access to the raw footage i do

You can start on twitter with the hashtag #ferguson and #nmos14

French fucking Canada. That explains a lot.

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its ironic but as an outsider, visiting twice i felt like i immediately knew what was wrong in the US, hardcore racism hasnt gone away, its just less in your face now.

For example, people will go into forums to let go what they really think instead of going spitting on black protesters like in the 50s and 60s

But the end result being i visited NYC thinking things would have been changed in 2010 (sort of like Montreal where you can have sort of ethnic neighboorhoods but everybodys mingled) to find a city still heavily segregated. And i though if that is the heart of progressive america, i can imagine what its like elsewhere and it doesnt look pretty

Learn to differentiate between classism and racism.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah you can try to lay out your case about where this guy is going when hes making fun of people singing we shall overcome 50 years ago, im listening

What he's actually making fun of are the people who think they're reliving those times and protests and yet act like thugs.

Mind you there are plenty of peaceful, thoughtful protesters who have a legitimate reason to protest. I saw the footage of those cops shooting bean bags and tear gas at the press. There is a problem with those cops, but at the same time there's thugs looting and rioting, and the fact remains that this started because someone resisted arrest and most likely tried to grab an officer's gun.

No there's no proof of that yet but there are confirmed reports that guy was just involved in a strongarm robbery before this so the chances that the story of him going for a cop's gun are true just went up.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the fact remains that this started because someone resisted arrest and most likely tried to grab an officer's gun.

More like the fact remains that this started because an officer shot another teenager. Why the officer shot the teenager is and never will be really known, so try not to fill in the blanks with he said she said.

A cop is not some special thing or person, they're the same regular person they were before they got their job that's as institutionalized as a McDonalds employee or Starbucks barista.

what this nation needs is cameras everywhere, cops with more tasers and accountability for using any type of force, beyond being moved to a desk job. Like more jail time.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More like the fact remains that this started because an officer shot another teenager. Why the officer shot the teenager is and never will be really known, so try not to fill in the blanks with he said she said.

Yes, because in our court system, we don't care why a person shoots another person. Trying to determine cause is just an impossibly mysterious problem and so we don't bother ourselves with such unknowns. All we know is a cop shot a teen and that's all we ever need to know, and we won't attempt to use things like science to determine what might have led to that event.

[Rec]

What a surprise, we find out this innocent, unarmed, young, black man was a thug and robbed the store before they shot him.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, because in our court system, we don't care why a person shoots another person. Trying to determine cause is just an impossibly mysterious problem and so we don't bother ourselves with such unknowns. All we know is a cop shot a teen and that's all we ever need to know, and we won't attempt to use things like science to determine what might have led to that event.

No I'm speaking from a nations perspective. We never really will know because everyone has already decided. All we have to go on is 2 witnesses one friend of the deceased and another the one who made him deceased.

Science is a cool thing but its not able to prove that someone was going to go for the officers gun.

Just hearing that from the accused officer is enough to make everyone who hates poor people to shrug this off as another peasant acting up and a continued perfect record for the police department.

I just don't understand why people think cops never do any wrong.. like how so many people can get killed and everyone can be like, welp another spotless record for the police boys in blue doing their job! They really need more tanks and machine guns!

I am also specifically commenting on the fact that someone just said "the fact remains" that "Most likely" is enough for them to think that its cut and dry... that's stupid!

I want god damned cameras everywhere, i want em on cops and on street corners and shit, the only thing that's going to fix this bullshit that happens like 4 or 5 times a year is if we know for sure that the police are doing their job correctly.

Being a cop should be a huge sacrifice, they ask for the respect from the community as if they are making a huge sacrifice, yet they dont want to be held accountable for anything. It should be a job you take because you want to help people, not be an awesome strong boss of anyone who mess's with you.

My real concern is with police abusing their power. I want to respect them, but they have lost my respect.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Rec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a surprise, we find out this innocent, unarmed, young, black man was a thug and robbed the store before they shot him.

case and point - heard it on a forum, made his decision.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I'm speaking from a nations perspective. We never really will know because everyone has already decided.

Maybe you have already decided, but don't prejudge everyone else based on your own actions.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All we have to go on is 2 witnesses one friend of the deceased and another the one who made him deceased.

And surely mounds of physical evidence, which is the case in almost all crimes. If the situation were truly as hopeless as you think, we might as well dismantle our entire criminal justice system and stop trying to assign guilt to anyone for any crime.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Science is a cool thing but its not able to prove that someone was going to go for the officers gun.

Umm, yes it can. There can be physical signs like skin from the suspect on the gun, etc.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just hearing that from the accused officer is enough to make everyone who hates poor people to shrug this off as another peasant acting up and a continued perfect record for the police department.

Again, you have a warped view on the world. If it really just took the words from an officer to absolve them of all wrongdoing, they wouldn't have waited days before releasing what they have. And they still haven't released all evidence because they are still going through it in their own internal investigation. You see, our criminal justice system actually takes its time and does its best to determine what happened rather than jump to conclusions as you obviously have.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just don't understand why people think cops never do any wrong.. like how so many people can get killed and everyone can be like, welp another spotless record for the police boys in blue doing their job! They really need more tanks and machine guns!

More warped thinking on your part. Who are these many people you speak of? You seem to have an insight into the minds of vast numbers of people without any real evidence you possess such powers. The simplemindedness you attribute to others is simply projection on your part.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am also specifically commenting on the fact that someone just said "the fact remains" that "Most likely" is enough for them to think that its cut and dry... that's stupid!

So you ran into one stupid person and immediately thought large numbers of people think the same way. That's basically like racism, but against all humanity. Specism perhaps?

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want god damned cameras everywhere, i want em on cops and on street corners and shit, the only thing that's going to fix this bullshit that happens like 4 or 5 times a year is if we know for sure that the police are doing their job correctly.

That's great. So you don't trust cops, but you want the government to place cameras everywhere? Interesting case of cognitive dissonance you have. I'm actually cool with the idea of widespread cameras in public places to reduce crime. I just think it's rather silly that you have this incredible hatred of the people who would no doubt be in charge of those cameras.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Being a cop should be a huge sacrifice, they ask for the respect from the community as if they are making a huge sacrifice, yet they dont want to be held accountable for anything. It should be a job you take because you want to help people, not be an awesome strong boss of anyone who mess's with you.

My real concern is with police abusing their power. I want to respect them, but they have lost my respect.

Yeah, so you seem to hate all cops because of the actions of a few? What a refined and intelligent position to take. Do you hate all black people because a few kill each other each year? Do you hate all Jews because of Bernie Madoff?