SO.. BUSH WAS AN IDIOT??

[DeruIsLove]

Nah. I consider such an outcome favorable. End.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd be a libertarian if they didn't require that stupid pledge about not rising up in force or whatever it was.

Not wanting to have a half trillion dollar war machine running during peacetime is something I actually understand about libertarians.

What about the complete disregard for the environment? Libertarians often have the audacity to say that under an unfettered free market, market forces and tort law will control pollution, contamination, excessive emissions, etc. Living in a coalsmoke saturated atmosphere reduces life expectancy by years, and yet we get corporate-funded deviousness like "clean coal" and "coal=jobs". It's really entertaining listening to the bullshit libertarians and far-right conservatives come up with in an attempt to make environmental policy that seems convincing.

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[Pringles]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Directly comparing running the country to running a company. You and your corporate/money mindset are part of the problem.

Please explain how its different, its a business with a side of politics.

[Pringles]

*Extra side of politics.

[DeruIsLove]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please explain how its different, its a business with a side of politics.

I don't need to, Harvard business review did it quite nicely already... in 1996.

Do your own research

[radditsu]

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[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by DeruIsLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't need to, Harvard business review did it quite nicely already... in 1996.

Do your own research

way to engage there third grader who can't see the forest from the trees

[loramin]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scientists work off grants where theyre pressured to find bullshit about co2, so Al Gore can get rich off selling carbon credits for everytime we exhale. Of course we don't trust them.

C'mon, really? I actually have a PhD friend who's doing her research on why people don't believe in climate research (even though they'll happily go to the doctor and trust all the research that went in to treating their cancer, or walk in to a building trusting all the seismological research that went in to its construction, or ...). The people doing this research are doing it either out of pure scientific curiosity or because they're concerned about the end of the world (or both), not because they somehow have a financial interest in it. Trust me, climate researchers (hell ANY academic researchers) do not make bank.

I mean, let's break your idea down: first off, Al Gore doesn't "get rich" selling carbon credits, the US government does (and rich is a relative term here; carbon credits are not a significant source of the budget). Al Gore gets book deals, but lots of vice presidents (and even lower people on the totem pole) get those without talking about global warming. Second, even if Al Gore was somehow magically making millions off carbon credits, how exactly would he secretly channel all that money to the thousands of different researchers at hundreds of different institutions all over the world, without anyone knowing? That'd take some serious Illuminati shit.

In short, if you don't believe in global warming it could be for a lot of reasons (if you're actually curious, which I doubt, I could get the list from her), but it's not because there actually is an international conspiracy of evil scientists trying to enhance Al Gore's bank account.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C'mon, really? I actually have a PhD friend who's doing her research on why people don't believe in climate research (even though they'll happily go to the doctor and trust all the research that went in to treating their cancer, or walk in to a building trusting all the seismological research that went in to its construction, or ...). The people doing this research are doing it either out of pure scientific curiosity or because they're concerned about the end of the world (or both), not because they somehow have a financial interest in it. Trust me, climate researchers (hell ANY academic researchers) do not make bank.

I mean, let's break your idea down: first off, Al Gore doesn't "get rich" selling carbon credits, the US government does (and rich is a relative term here; carbon credits are not a significant source of the budget). Al Gore gets book deals, but lots of vice presidents (and even lower people on the totem pole) get those without talking about global warming. Second, even if Al Gore was somehow magically making millions off carbon credits, how exactly would he secretly channel all that money to the thousands of different researchers at hundreds of different institutions all over the world, without anyone knowing? That'd take some serious Illuminati shit.

In short, if you don't believe in global warming it could be for a lot of reasons (if you're actually curious, which I doubt, I could get the list from her), but it's not because there actually is an international conspiracy of evil scientists trying to enhance Al Gore's bank account.

I did not read your post and I do believe in climate change but Al gore DOES get rich selling the "idea" of carbon credits he is also an investor in the company that provides these credits.

Al gore is a fraud.

[Faron]

It's not that people don't believe in climate change, it's that they don't believe in the politicized side of it - that humans have any significant impact on it.