What makes Rangers worse tanks than Shadow Knights or Paladins?

[rangerlive]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure we will. Level 60 rangers will tank plenty of raid targets.

For precisely 18 seconds before exploding into little ranger bits in a blaze of glory.

Surviving that particular sort of encounter usually depends on how well the handing-off of the target to the main tank goes, I'd say. Which requires some sort of skill, I think.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by rangerlive [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surviving that particular sort of encounter usually depends on how well the handing-off of the target to the main tank goes, I'd say. Which requires some sort of skill, I think.

Depends on if your raid feels you're worth a mallet charge or two or not.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure we will. Level 60 rangers will tank plenty of raid targets.

For precisely 18 seconds before exploding into little ranger bits in a blaze of glory.

Precisely 20 seconds, I hope.

[Tecmos Deception]

What content are you talking about, web? In my time on beta I've seen that yes, Velious stuff is harder than Kunark stuff. But if you compare apples to apples it really isn't THAT big of a difference... and it isn't as if most groups aren't already based on tank+cleric+enchanter foundation.

I mean, if you compare KC to SG then yeah, Velious is hell. But if you compare seb/HS to velks/DN... shit hits harder and some things are more resistant (basically just the 55+ nameds, of which there aren't many in Kunark to compare to, the trash mobs in these zones aren't more resistant than same-level mobs in Kunark)... but I don't think much of anything has more HP than Kunark mobs. And if you're talking about nameds in kael or skyshrine or whatever, then you need to be comparing that to stuff in the planes or chardok royals or whatever, content that isn't quite faceroll easy for the vast majority of the server now and that basically no one does without a raid; you can't look at raid-ish content on Velious and compare it to trash mobs in LCY and say "look how hard velious is!"

I think too much of the random memories of Velious are based on our situations back in the day. Too many of us were 13-year-olds who logged onto EQ for a couple hours to stare in awe at the screen after we got home from school; basically no one min/maxed shit, we thought agility was a good defensive stat, we were wearing banded while trying to XP at disco at level 50, etc etc etc.


No, ranger tanks with druid healers aren't going to be a good idea for high-50s mobs that hit for 300. But people don't even do crypt or HS north with ranger tanks + druid healers right now. Again, you can't point to something that doesn't work well now and that people don't do right now and say that because that doesn't work in Velious, whoa Velious is Hard Mode! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Splorf22]

Sure, if you are 1-grouping the Royals and trioing the sebilite protector than Velious will be more of the same difficulty wise.

But how many people are actually doing this?

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, if you are 1-grouping the Royals and trioing the sebilite protector than Velious will be more of the same difficulty wise.

But how many people are actually doing this?

I wasn't asking rhetorically, haha. I really want to know what group content in Velious is so much harder than the group content of Kunark. I'm genuinely curious because I don't know Velious from live.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, if you are 1-grouping the Royals and trioing the sebilite protector than Velious will be more of the same difficulty wise.

But how many people are actually doing this?

Most of TMO 5 mans royals and can 3 man prot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of TMO 5 mans royals and can 3 man prot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That plays into what Splorf was getting at though, because TMO is only a small fraction of the server's active population.


For real. Someone list the "groupable" camps in Velious that are so much harder than HS south/east, undead tower area in hole, king in seb, etc. Basically no one does those Kunark camps without a cookie-cutter group. What camps in Velious will chew up a typical tank+cleric+ench+sham+DPS+DPS group so much more easily than those Kunark camps?

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of TMO 5 mans royals and can 3 man prot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't need vp gear to trio prot. Done this many times and I am casual scum

[Pint]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most of TMO 5 mans royals and can 3 man prot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most 60s on the server can pull this stuff off, guild tag isnt relevant, in fact implying that most Tmo do do those things in wrong.

Camps harder than Kunark would be the plate cycle, giants near tormax, protectors under the arena, elementals in sirens, probably some of the actual sirens camps in sirens also. Pom maybe? Can halls of testing be one grpd in era? I think you could find things that are more difficult but you probably have to reach for it, run of the mill stuff is still going to be easy bc this game is just easy.