Variance

[Buhbuh]

I think what you're all getting at is:

1. Azrael abandoned zerg tactics
2. More skirmish PvP will come from variance implemented
3. Less larger scale PvP will occur (meaning it's pandering to smaller guilds).

Variance crowd is more in favor of small skirmish PvP for the potential of getting a mob but probably won't anyway because of neckbeards.

Anti-variance crowd enjoys mass PvP, think larger guilds need more coordination and because of that are rewarded for it which has always been the case in EQ, and EQ is already a time sink so don't subject people to more.

4. Hivemind is condescending and thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

[lite]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. Less larger scale PvP will occur (meaning it's pandering to smaller guilds).

with variance some confrontations will escalate to large scale pvp. without variance and one dominant zerg guild, 0 opportunity of large scale pvp and 0 small scale skrimishes, We have the data to back that up, you've been here long enough to know there was months without pvp. The current model doesn't work, and neither does people who went nihilum claiming that if you do this this and that it will all be better. A promise of simulated repops is the only thing that stimulated competition for a while. We know for a fact that 95% of this server's existence has been a time period of no pvp and people such as yourself claiming that you have the answer.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with variance some confrontations will escalate to large scale pvp. without variance and one dominant zerg guild, 0 opportunity of large scale pvp and 0 small scale skrimishes, We have the data to back that up, you've been here long enough to know there was months without pvp. The current model doesn't work, and neither does people who went nihilum claiming that if you do this this and that, it will all be better.

Who is we? Do you mean you stopped trying in large scale PvP after three weeks? I had a lot of fun losing while you guys were on top.

I've been claiming what you should do in Azrael since Force. You just don't have any interest in it.

I'm kind of surprised myself that both sides are very uninterested in small skirmish PvP outside of contesting a mob or deterring someone from getting to a raid.

But Hivemind, you should probably play here a bit more before you argue, hypothetically, why variance would be a better option for this server.

You gotta stop trolling. If you had any experience on this server, you'd know that these variance threads don't come from an unbiased place. They come from players in a now smaller guild that have waned and lost the will to compete against a guild they were once equal in size with (hence the joke Azrael 19.0), and they want a better reason to log in each day. It's not enough to PvP just to do it.

It comes down to the pixels, every time. This is EQ. It's classic.

That being said, and despite the intentions of this thread, I'm actually for variance.

Hivemind lacks the context to even realize who it was making this thread and why it was made, so it's understandable that's he's conflating my criticism of the bias in this thread with his defense of variance.

I called you pedantic because you are. It doesn't matter whether or not you mean what you say. Anyone with even a modicum of reading comprehension can see that you're being garrulous and patronizing for no real reason. To put it in the words of people that post here: you're being a faggot.

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

4. Hivemind is condescending and thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

I understand that it must be frustrating when someone takes a minute to dissect one of your posts and use your own words to underline how unintelligible or misdirected you sound. Again, I encourage you to actually read my posts, and quote + refute anything you might disagree with. As you can see, I have made liberal use of your own words in helping to demonstrate to you why I consider your input (as it pertains to this thread) to be almost entirely worthless.

I have been posting in this thread, talking about variance and my idea that variance can only make this server more competitive. You posted explicitly stating that you don't care about variance, don't care about discussing it in this thread titled "Variance" and that you have ulterior motives involving being critical of a particular guild and/or its leader.

Feel free to keep making attacks on my persona, or otherwise telling people what I think when I have very clearly (and precisely) written in my own words what I think about variance. Yes, I have disagreed with posters (including yourself) and very specifically quoted (and in some cases bolded/enlarged) phrases so that you or others can better see the fallacy or the emotional/off-topic responses that are riddling this thread.

Again, the thread is about Variance. Not Nihilum or Azrael, Nizzar or Lite.

[Sektor]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think what you're all getting at is:

1. Azrael abandoned zerg tactics
2. More skirmish PvP will come from variance implemented
3. Less larger scale PvP will occur (meaning it's pandering to smaller guilds).

Variance crowd is more in favor of small skirmish PvP for the potential of getting a mob but probably won't anyway because of neckbeards.

Anti-variance crowd enjoys mass PvP, think larger guilds need more coordination and because of that are rewarded for it which has always been the case in EQ, and EQ is already a time sink so don't subject people to more.

4. Hivemind is condescending and thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

I think the problem is you think you're smarter then everyone else, not Hiveman.

[Mac Drettj]

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[Genedin]

Holy smokes hivemind is my new favorite forumquester. I especially liked.

"Again, a no-variance system favors the team/guild/force that is dominant. If you have any understanding of basic sociology (or are capable of remedial level critical thinking) then you must understand that a person or group in power will not want to give up power. If you are in a dominant guild and you are arguing against variance while simultaneously saying that it won't change anything ... you just look like a damned fool."


He has got dretti so confused with all of these big words he has resorted to posting random gifs because his head hurts from too much reading.

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Genedin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy smokes hivemind is my new favorite forumquester. I especially liked.

"Again, a no-variance system favors the team/guild/force that is dominant. If you have any understanding of basic sociology (or are capable of remedial level critical thinking) then you must understand that a person or group in power will not want to give up power. If you are in a dominant guild and you are arguing against variance while simultaneously saying that it won't change anything ... you just look like a damned fool."


He has got dretti so confused with all of these big words he has resorted to posting random gifs because his head hurts from too much reading.

Don't worry, it's a tactic common to the mentally weak. Samwise learned early on that he can only hope to retort with unoriginal .gifs that google spoon-feeds him.

[Colgate]

if the post has more than 2 or 3 lines of text very large chance that i simply will not read it

[Mac Drettj]

Sorry I haven't read a single hive mind post

U must b new here