Really Getsome and IB ?

[Emsee]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

Unless you are IB, then you are allowed to game it with a warning amirite?

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Emsee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you are IB, then you are allowed to game it with a warning amirite?

The one time IB/FE did it while I was still on staff during the FTE messages, I wanted to suspend them for a week with FTE on gore and Sloan going full retard. The biggest issue is that the staff doesn't want to punish 30+ people because only 3 or so are calling the shots and making bad decisions. Yet they keep doing them year after year. Sometimes people just need to man up and look at their leadership making bad calls and getting the Guild raid suspended. If it was on live, guilds would get disbanded and officers/leader banned. That's why the bullshit like on here for the past 4 years wasn't how it was on live. There were real consequences for actions.

I just don't see how people can keep doing the same stuff over and over and just get a slap. Rogean tried to set an example out of BDA when they decided to hang out killing jugs/reets in Trak window. As far as I've read nothing has happened since and the slaps( deal with it between guilds etc etc) keep coming to all the other guilds. The rules are clear to the point and if you violate them after such a major overhaul any guild breaking those rules should get a 2 week vacation.

The players should be the first step to fix any issue. If the players don't, then the staff needs to send a clear message that everyone who is a participant will be punished. Don't want to be punished, make a new guild or force the morons out of the one you are in.

I mean at this stage telling people who have been farming this shit for the past 3 years they have to give up the 3 pally books, rbb, and some lvl 60 spells off fay a real detrimental? Oh shit, people will have to make passive aggressive " We killed fay" posts on their guild jerk-off (recruitment) thread.

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean at this stage telling people who have been farming this shit for the past 3 years they have to give up the 3 pally books, rbb, and some lvl 60 spells off fay a real detrimental? Oh shit, people will have to make passive aggressive " We killed fay" posts on their guild jerk-off (recruitment) thread.

Dont underestimate how much these crap raid loots matter to TMO. Theyd shank you for a larrikans mask and kick their own family to the curb for a pod of seawater MQ. This is serious business to these new guys.

[Fountree]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fuck you talking about, you raged more than anyone over the smallest of incidents lol.

True, when it mattered. Its been 3 years lol

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

Here's my question Ambro, according to Sirken, wouldn't an unguilded FTE tagger mean that no guild can engage the mob until it resets? If a player is unguilded then no guild has the right to that player's FTE other than that player. This is according to what Sirken said... so neither TMO, nor IB/Taken could have attempted Fay on that pull since Golden won it.

If we say "oh we all know Golden is really TMO" how does that consistently hold water on a Sev FFA when all 9 or so raiding guilds have an unguilded player there. How can we possibly keep everyone straight? You might say "Well you know who YOU have there." But Class R is encouraging one another to form alliances now and as trackers rotate and unguilded taggers from allied guilds go in and out it is going to be impossible to manage.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my question Ambro, according to Sirken, wouldn't an unguilded FTE tagger mean that no guild can engage the mob until it resets? If a player is unguilded then no guild has the right to that player's FTE other than that player. This is according to what Sirken said... so neither TMO, nor IB/Taken could have attempted Fay on that pull since Golden won it.

If we say "oh we all know Golden is really TMO" how does that consistently hold water on a Sev FFA when all 9 or so raiding guilds have an unguilded player there. How can we possibly keep everyone straight? You might say "Well you know who YOU have there." But Class R is encouraging one another to form alliances now and as trackers rotate and unguilded taggers from allied guilds go in and out it is going to be impossible to manage.

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

sucks raid mobs can be claimed by singular entities who have no raid force in zone ( not talking about Golden/Fay)... doesnt really feel right/classic at all

but i guess not much else you can do with there being so many varieties of raid disputes possible, have to just look at the FTE message above all else.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sucks raid mobs can be claimed by singular entities who have no raid force in zone ( not talking about Golden/Fay)... doesnt really feel right/classic at all

but i guess not much else you can do with there being so many varieties of raid disputes possible, have to just look at the FTE message above all else.

It's possible. Just no one has been ballsy enough to do it and pull it off. That would depend on a raid force making an idiotic call to kill a mob that they knew they didn't have FTE on. Which would never happen with FTE shouts.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

So where is the loot right now?

It's clear that IB was in the wrong, where is their suspension?

Based off an original Taken post, they also claim partial responsibility and are currently awaiting half of the stolen loot, where is their suspension?

There must be some magical "get outta jail free" cards floating around P1999 right now.

[MaksimMazor]

I like the "110%" part