All these IB RNF's in the last day or so...

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lack of consistency maybe, values are very much so intact though.


Many things have changed around p99 raid scene; I've just adapted to the new environment, new guilds, and new politics. Apparently I've adjusted well enough though as I'm fairly comfortable with how things are now, can you IB folks say the same?

If so, I don't know whats with all the salty mofos in RNF today showing everyone otherwise [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I guess your values are "place blame upon competing guilds and play the victim"? First it was TMO. Now it's IB. Who's next?

[Tasslehofp99]

If I wasn't just able to log on in-game, I would post that gif of Knowshon Moreno crying in response to Sanforce.


see yas

[Jarnauga]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

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[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who backstabbed who again?

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

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I think you misunderstand just how unreasonable and plain disrespectful Getsome was in those discussions. He can deny it to you guys, but for those of us that witnessed it it was shocking how he was even a GL of a guild with how he conducted himself. Again his choice and you have to respect a man's choices. But he turned an ally into an enemy with his attitude.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB. I mean lets be honest. For most of the raid history together FE had the most numbers and it was still equal depending on the time of day up and till the end. FE built your guild with their numbers to what you are now. Even doing that your leader thought it was fair to give no assurances to FE via a co-leader. If you want to point the finger at anyone for why the merge did no happen /tell to Getsome. He made TMO the more reasonable choice with the way he conducted himself.

I'm happy with the merger working out the way it did.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So let's actually say that Getsome actually fucked Unbrella's mom while robbing Tasslehoff's sister and that made the alliance fell apart. Ok.

So why didn't FE and their glorious leaders that won all these VP fights couldn't just go their own way, and beat us all ?

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Why couldn't you let Doljon be their own raid guild?

[Xerxes]

Lack of raid leadership. I challenge any one of you shit talkers to do what hokushin raden sloan shinko zeelot chest etc did/do for their guilds. It takes a certain personality to sucessfully lead a competitive raid guild. Lots of no lifers here but very few raid leaders. You can be the best at your class but if you cant lead a raid and lead it effectively under pressure from other guilds you lose. 20 people or 70 people it doesn't matter if you dont have that person its over.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Xerxes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lack of raid leadership. I challenge any one of you shit talkers to do what hokushin raden sloan shinko zeelot chest etc did/do for their guilds. It takes a certain personality to sucessfully lead a competitive raid guild. Lots of no lifers here but very few raid leaders. You can be the best at your class but if you cant lead a raid and lead it effectively under pressure from other guilds you lose. 20 people or 70 people it doesn't matter if you dont have that person its over.

Oh thanks for speaking the truth Xerxes.

So now that we all agreed that basically FE had no leader, give me one reason why any member of FE should be co-leader of IB.

i also wanna know why no FE member is co-leader of TMO.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause fuck things like integrity and friendship, when you can bust open the loot pinatas with 70+ people.

The FE/IB merger terms were more than reasonable. Most guilds that absorb another guild would just expect them to immediate assimilate to their rules and culture. IB did a nice job of creating provisions to help the merger like the dual DKP/loot council system.

Let's cut the bullshit and be honest here, FE. In the end, it all came down to elf simulator pixels. It was straight up admitted to me by multiple friends in FE that when choosing between TMO and IB, the #1 factor was which guild would net the most Velious pixels.

Hypocrites.

Even if we lose some mobs, I'd rather kill Hoshkar with 30 than wipe to Nexona with 70. I've always been more motivated by challenge and competition than loot. Some people play solely for loot, and that's fine but, but let's be honest about it instead of blaming IB for some bullshit that never happened.

That's the thing IB expected us to just accept being absorbed and accept unreasonable terms. We were half of the raid force and most of the DPS at raids (Which has shown vibrantly true since the split). Getsome thought they were stronger than they were and assumed they would dictate terms to FE until they accepted. There was very little respect being shown and an ultimatum basically "that is happens this way or we stop raiding together".

He made the other options we had more admirable with his attitude. IB was in no position to demand terms to FE and "absorb" FE because we knew our options. We told him our options and he remained unreasonable. FE was not under pressure to be absorbed by IB instead of having equal footing. We actually wanted the merge to happen. Getsome set terms and had an attitude that wasn't respectful to anyone but himself. He made TMO the more appealing option by trying to strong arm FE into being absorbed without any of our concessions being met. If we wanted that we had other options stronger than IB.

BTW to all IB members who do not know this. During the last discussion FE had with Getsome about these concerns and stipulations of the merge...It was presented to him that he could even choose which FE officer would be co-leader... He said "IB will be raiding alone from this point forward" without even considering it. Your guild leader stopped all discussions at that moment. It was FE who stopped trying to negotiate.