Swarm kiting in Field of Bone

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by GlassMachine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wondering if there are any nice, respectful bards on p99.

All I ever see are threads complaining about them, and in game I've only been playing for a couple months but whenever I see a bard it usually means it's time to switch zones. I don't even get mad about it anymore, I just leave.

As a counterbalance to this, every other class I've played with have been really awesome so far.

There are tons, in fact, if you send a tell to most aoe bards (not /ooc with massive complaint) they will leave stuff up for your pulls.

On that note, with the mob density of a typical Kunark zone there really isn't a reason to leave up mobs where people are xp'ing.

Tacite was one of the best bards when it came to being selective on his pulls.

[Sarajo]

Originally Posted by GlassMachine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wondering if there are any nice, respectful bards on p99.

I am awesome. Once I hit 28ish I never AoE'd again, and stuck to charm kiting so I could kill in out-of-the-way places and kill casters easily. I always offer people rides if I see they have no SoW or anything, because big deal, that's like 2 minutes out of my day to get them across 2 zones. I've also powerlevelled people for free because they were good people who were having a bad day. Why? I decided to do a little PR work for bards.
You will never, EVER, hear something like this mentioned in the forums or in /ooc. With the way EQ works, greatly encouraging grouping, and the amount of time death penalties/corpse runs cost a non-bard, there's just too much envy baggage there. Also, you'll never hear about bards like us (ones who stay out of the way) because no one notices us.
So it's not that every bard is a douchenugget; it's that every single person has had a negative experience with a bard at some point, or overheard something bad that a bard did, and it becomes a firmly-rooted belief that all bards are assmanglers.

The following piece, about bards, ran in the Saturday Evening Post on January 2nd, 1915:

“In every field of human endeavor, he that is first must perpetually live in the white glare of publicity. Whether the leadership be vested in a man or in a manufactured product, emulation and envy are ever at work. In art, in music, in industry, the reward and punishment are always the same. The reward is widespread recognition; the punishment, fierce denial and detraction. When a man’s work becomes a standard for the whole world, it also becomes a target for the shafts of the envious few. If his work is mediocre, he will be left severely alone—if he achieves a masterpiece, it will set a million tongue a-wagging. Jealousy does not protrude its forked tongue at the artist who produces a commonplace painting. Whatsoever you write, or paint, or play, or sing, or build, no one will strive to surpass or to slander you unless your work be stamped with the seal of genius. Long, long after a great work or a good work has been done, those who are disappointed or envious, continue to cry out that it cannot be done. Spiteful little voices in the domain of art were raised against our own Whistler as a mountebank, long after the big would have acclaimed him its greatest artistic genius. Multitudes flocked to Bayreuth to worship at the musical shrine of Wagner, while the little group of those whom he dethroned and displaced argued angrily that he was no musician at all. The little world continued to protest that Fulton could never build a steamboat, while the big world flocked to the river banks to see his boat steam by. The leader is assailed because he is the leader, and the effort to equal him is merely added proof of that leadership. Failing to equal or excel, the follower seeks to depreciate and to destroy—but only confirms once more the superiority of that which he strives to supplant. There is nothing new in this. It is as old as the world and as old as human passions—envy, fear, greed, ambition, and the desire to surpass. And it all avails nothing. If the leader truly leads, he remains—the leader. Master-poet, master-painter, master-workman, each in his turn is assailed, and each holds his laurels through the ages. That which is good or great makes itself known, no matter how loud the clamor of denial. That which deserves to live—lives.”

All of the forum hate can't compare to that, nor can little minds get over their envy, fear, greed, ambition, and desire to surpass. All of my PR work won't change that.

[GlassMachine]

Originally Posted by Sarajo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am awesome. Once I hit 28ish I never AoE'd again, and stuck to charm kiting so I could kill in out-of-the-way places and kill casters easily. I always offer people rides if I see they have no SoW or anything, because big deal, that's like 2 minutes out of my day to get them across 2 zones. I've also powerlevelled people for free because they were good people who were having a bad day. Why? I decided to do a little PR work for bards.
You will never, EVER, hear something like this mentioned in the forums or in /ooc. With the way EQ works, greatly encouraging grouping, and the amount of time death penalties/corpse runs cost a non-bard, there's just too much envy baggage there. Also, you'll never hear about bards like us (ones who stay out of the way) because no one notices us.
So it's not that every bard is a douchenugget; it's that every single person has had a negative experience with a bard at some point, or overheard something bad that a bard did, and it becomes a firmly-rooted belief that all bards are assmanglers.

The following piece, about bards, ran in the Saturday Evening Post on January 2nd, 1915:

“In every field of human endeavor, he that is first must perpetually live in the white glare of publicity. Whether the leadership be vested in a man or in a manufactured product, emulation and envy are ever at work. In art, in music, in industry, the reward and punishment are always the same. The reward is widespread recognition; the punishment, fierce denial and detraction. When a man’s work becomes a standard for the whole world, it also becomes a target for the shafts of the envious few. If his work is mediocre, he will be left severely alone—if he achieves a masterpiece, it will set a million tongue a-wagging. Jealousy does not protrude its forked tongue at the artist who produces a commonplace painting. Whatsoever you write, or paint, or play, or sing, or build, no one will strive to surpass or to slander you unless your work be stamped with the seal of genius. Long, long after a great work or a good work has been done, those who are disappointed or envious, continue to cry out that it cannot be done. Spiteful little voices in the domain of art were raised against our own Whistler as a mountebank, long after the big would have acclaimed him its greatest artistic genius. Multitudes flocked to Bayreuth to worship at the musical shrine of Wagner, while the little group of those whom he dethroned and displaced argued angrily that he was no musician at all. The little world continued to protest that Fulton could never build a steamboat, while the big world flocked to the river banks to see his boat steam by. The leader is assailed because he is the leader, and the effort to equal him is merely added proof of that leadership. Failing to equal or excel, the follower seeks to depreciate and to destroy—but only confirms once more the superiority of that which he strives to supplant. There is nothing new in this. It is as old as the world and as old as human passions—envy, fear, greed, ambition, and the desire to surpass. And it all avails nothing. If the leader truly leads, he remains—the leader. Master-poet, master-painter, master-workman, each in his turn is assailed, and each holds his laurels through the ages. That which is good or great makes itself known, no matter how loud the clamor of denial. That which deserves to live—lives.”

All of the forum hate can't compare to that, nor can little minds get over their envy, fear, greed, ambition, and desire to surpass. All of my PR work won't change that.

Agree that the loudest get noticed and the quiet are forgotten. My question was only half rhetorical and half legit.

Your post did remind me of the very first high level character I saw. I was in qeynos, died in NK, and this bard overheard me talking about it in /say and asked if I wanted a lift.

I'll never forget flying through the air for the first time at ridiculous speeds I didn't know were possible in the game. I still remember his name, even after never thinking about for 10 years.

Those are the kinds of bards I was hoping to see in p99, not swarm kiting pricks everywhere I go. I'm glad that they're still out there.

[daasgoot]

Originally Posted by GlassMachine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agree that the loudest get noticed and the quiet are forgotten. My question was only half rhetorical and half legit.

Your post did remind me of the very first high level character I saw. I was in qeynos, died in NK, and this bard overheard me talking about it in /say and asked if I wanted a lift.

I'll never forget flying through the air for the first time at ridiculous speeds I didn't know were possible in the game. I still remember his name, even after never thinking about for 10 years.

Those are the kinds of bards I was hoping to see in p99, not swarm kiting pricks everywhere I go. I'm glad that they're still out there.

I swarm kite...

I also invite ppl to group if i ever see them running the same direction as me through a zone.

what does that make me?

[GlassMachine]

Originally Posted by daasgoot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I swarm kite...

I also invite ppl to group if i ever see them running the same direction as me through a zone.

what does that make me?

It really depends on how you swarm.

To be clear - I'm not saying all bards who swarm kite are assholes. My idea of a swarm kiting asshole is the guy that comes in and sweeps most of the zone for mobs, leaving very few for the people that were already there.

My experiences so far allude to the fact that there are a large number of bards who don't really care about the people they share the zone with. I'm a laid back kinda girl, and my class can solo anywhere if need be so I don't make a huge deal when it happens, I just leave and find exp somewhere else.

But I can see other people's frustration. Is it classic? Yeah. Does it make you a jerk? Yeah.

But that's just like, my opinion, man.

[Swish]

Interestingly, how many bard mains are in the guild you're in? I always think they're an experiment/alt character and never really make it beyond OT when the XP dies off and levels aren't so fast.

[GlassMachine]

I'm not in a guild. Like I said, I've only been playing a little while, so it's only anecdotal evidence, but I haven't had any team-player type bard experiences yet. I realize it's the nature of the class to have to solo most times, but I don't remember ever encountering this many jerks on live.

[Swish]

Amelinda was quite clear on people not grabbing all mobs they could find in zones where there were groups at peak time. I don't know if that's still a thing that the current GMs follow up on, but consider me a whiner if I'm in a zone and you're busy kiting all the mobs.

Once you finally finish them I'll still have 10+ minutes to wait for their respawn timer. That's fair, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Amelinda was quite clear on people not grabbing all mobs they could find in zones where there were groups at peak time. I don't know if that's still a thing that the current GMs follow up on, but consider me a whiner if I'm in a zone and you're busy kiting all the mobs.

Once you finally finish them I'll still have 10+ minutes to wait for their respawn timer. That's fair, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, tbh, I kited mostly late night. If people started complaining I'd try to leave mobs up in their area. Most of the kunark zones have so many mobs that a bard can get a huge kite going and still leave some around the popular camps.

Some of my late night OT kites were huge tho. I remember getting over 2 levels in one pull =|

[GlassMachine]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are tons, in fact, if you send a tell to most aoe bards (not /ooc with massive complaint) they will leave stuff up for your pulls.

On that note, with the mob density of a typical Kunark zone there really isn't a reason to leave up mobs where people are xp'ing.

Tacite was one of the best bards when it came to being selective on his pulls.

Shouldn't it be kind of obvious not to pull stuff from where other people have been camping/pulling before a bard walks in?

I didn't realize you have to ask them nicely to leave your stuff alone, and THEN they're nice.