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[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, its not an MMO. There is a defference between EQ and a MUD. Should there be a better classification? Yes. BUt saying that a MUD and eq or wow or whatever is the same type of game...Not true.

I didn't say the are the same type of game. I said they fall under the same classification of MMO...which they do.

[Vidar]

Originally Posted by Fett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Diablo is absolutely not a MMO because it does not meet the first item. The world has to be persistent for the term MMO to apply. Even if it was persistent, only a small amount of users can be connected at one time.



Does the Sim's online have a persistent world that doesn't reset? Does it host a large amount of concurrent users? Then YES it is a MMO. You aren't understanding what the term means. MMO does not equal graphical online RPGs like EQ, it means a persistent world, with a large amount of concurrent users, period. The term came into use more recently than MUDs, which is why it applies to a larger cross section of games.



Now you are getting it. MMO doesn't apply to a specific genre of games. It's an umbrella term, that any genre can fall under if it follows the two rules I mentioned.

You have completely missed the point. MUDs and EQ arent the same type of game. a MUD is a MUD. Eq is a.....? MMO is the only term we have for the type of game EQ is. People incorrectly use the term to classify eq. If you ask anyone what type of game EQ or WoW is they will say MMO. Regardless of how it SHOULD be used it IS used to classify games. Therefore using MMO to refer to a MUD is not right. It may be correct but its not right. And i dont give a flying rats ass if you want to call a MUD an MMO as long as we have a different term for EQ UO WoW etc.

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we havent even got into FPS and RTS games.

The FPS series Planetside is also an MMO.

[Fett]

Originally Posted by Vidar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have completely missed the point. MUDs and EQ arent the same type of game. a MUD is a MUD. Eq is a.....? MMO is the only term we have for the type of game EQ is. People incorrectly use the term to classify eq. If you ask anyone what type of game EQ or WoW is they will say MMO. Regardless of how it SHOULD be used it IS used to classify games. Therefore using MMO to refer to a MUD is not right. It may be correct but its not right. And i dont give a flying rats ass if you want to call a MUD an MMO as long as we have a different term for EQ UO WoW etc.

You're looking at this the wrong way. Let's try another example.

Apples, oranges, and pears, are all fruits. Apples are not oranges, and oranges are not pears, and pears are not apples, but they are still all fruit.

EQ is a graphical RPG, MUDs are text RPGs. Planetside is a FPS. They are all still MMOs. MMO is not a specific genre. FPS is a genre. RPG is a genre.

[Vidar]

Originally Posted by Fett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're looking at this the wrong way. Let's try another example.

Apples, oranges, and pears, are all fruits. Apples are not oranges, and oranges are not pears, and pears are not apples, but they are still all fruit.

EQ is a graphical RPG, MUDs are text RPGs. Planetside is a FPS. They are all still MMOs.

What part of 'People use the term MMO to classify games like EQ and WoW' did you not get?

[fadetree]

Vidar, you are just wrong dude. MMO doesn't mean what you think it does.

From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive...er_online_game ) :

Commercial MMORPGs gained acceptance in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The genre was pioneered by the GemStone series on GEnie, also created by Kesmai, and Neverwinter Nights, the first such game to include graphics, which debuted on AOL in 1991.

Note that the MMORPG term is a subclass of MMO, and it includes both graphical and non-graphical. MMO means :
Massively - lots of people
Multiplayer - multiple people in the same persistent world
Online - its an internet game.

Anything that has those attributes is an MMO. EQ is a Graphical MMO. Gemstone is a text MMO. They are both MMORPGs ( MMO Role Playing Games ). Counterstrike or whatever is a MMOFPS.

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.


I'm not going to post any more about it, though, so we'll just have to disagree I guess. It's not very important anyway.

[Fett]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.

Meridian 59 was the only early graphical MMORPG I never played, was the before The Realm? I remember playing the crap out of The Realm long before UO was around, I can't recall if it came out before or after Meridian 59 though.

[Gaffin 7.0]

why is this a thread about if a game is a mmo ? lulz

[Danth]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Incidentally, that entry is wrong about the first graphical, it was not Neverwinter Nights but Meridian 59.

EDIT: The entry you quote probably refers to the Neverwinter Nights that was available over AOL circa 1991, not the later game of the same name. (End Edit)

If you don't restrict yourself to role-playing games, then you have graphical/realtime MMOG's from fall 1987 onwards with "Air Warrior" on GENIE. Yes, 1987, with an "8." Some players on P1999 weren't born yet.

Of course there are those genre-newbies who equate "MMOG" only to Ultima Online, Everquest, and their many derivatives. They're wrong of course, but nobody likes admitting they're wrong, especially not on the internet. I prefer a slightly different definition of Massively Multiplayer Online Game than offered above in that I expect such a game to host many people per server combined with a persistent world. As such I discount a game like Counterstrike (I rate that simply as a multiplayer game), although I can see why some folks might include it under a looser definition.

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Thread changed its subject because that's what discussion does. Historic online games seems a more interesting subject than bonus experience anyway.

For what it's worth, Everquest isn't much more than a MUD with a graphics engine pasted on top.

Danth

[veejur]

Um - thread hijack?