Guys, TMO is still killing dragons...

[Reguiy]

Time to invest in socks again.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so you admit that bc the variance is so low its ok to poopsock now ?

this is why they DIDNT want to lower the variance...bc they didn't trust we couldn't poopsock

Barring server repops, he spawns once every 7 days. As a class C guild you can engage him 2 out of every 3 spawns. He drops a staff maybe 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 times. It's worth your time to sit there when he goes into the bottom half of the window. People sit on fucking ragefire longer than that. We'll sit where the server staff tell us to sit, if you have any other problems please take it up with the server staff who set and enforce the rules.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by reborn649 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tracking with 2 people is now poopsocking! Pretty sure raid rules are clear on being able to have 2 people in the vicinity of a raid target. Until GM's clarify the exact spot people need to be camped out for each raid target, get over yourself. You cant bitch and complain because there's a couple people at zoneline in KC when VS spawns because its a "small zone" then be okay with having more than 2+ people in a zone like dreadlands/emerald jungle if gore/sev spawn. The distance a target spawns from the zoneline is not the players fault. Go talk to Brad McQuaid about that.

I'm sorry, but every guild that is now getting raid targets and complaining about anything at all is pathetic. You guys wanted raid-targets and now you got them. During FFA, step up your game if you want more targets. Bring a cleric and warrior down to VS pit instead of crying on the forums. To win, you gotta compete and maybe a cleric/warrior is the only way on VS. Learn, adapt, and STFU cuz your still getting more raid targets than you ever would have on a classic server with 10+ guilds wanting to raid.

I have no dog in this fight but... I think the gm's did clarify you can only have 2 guild reps in a zone where a raid target spawns when the actual raid target spawns or you are disqualified from engaging that raid target.

Gm's or neckbeard feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the race ended 3 seconds after he spawned when their warrior/cleric duo stalled waiting on the rest of the guild to kill it

TMO/FE/IB were poopsocking in the room and engaged him in the room

there was no race, only stall tactics covered by smoke and mirrors

VS's PNP needs to be examined by the guild leaders

VS was up for about 30 seconds before a FTE message. They weren't super quick--and soulfire + DA idol a solo warrior could stall as long as they managed. Unimpressed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kagatob]

Didn't this happen two weeks ago? Just stay outside the zone line when he's in window.

Fucking children.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Barring server repops, he spawns once every 7 days. As a class C guild you can engage him 2 out of every 3 spawns. He drops a staff maybe 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 times. It's worth your time to sit there when he goes into the bottom half of the window. People sit on fucking ragefire longer than that. We'll sit where the server staff tell us to sit, if you have any other problems please take it up with the server staff who set and enforce the rules.

The question is, is Ragefire considered a raid target ? No, it's a spawned epic mob. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Naggy on the other hand...

[FindCorpse]

Pretty sure taken just wants to make sure the rules are followed, who here is not familiar with rule lawyering? I wasn't there I didn't see the engage or how many people were in zone when he popped but I would venture a guess it was more than two. Just follow the rules perhaps? Just adding my 2 cents in. I have been listen to fe/ib/tmo complain for like 4 years now nothing has really changed. It's almost comforting at this point I don't know what I would do without all the QQ. Work would go by slower definitely.

[Pint]

this thread sucks, if the better guilds are using better tactics than your guild, just adapt lol

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question is, is Ragefire considered a raid target ? No, it's a spawned epic mob. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Naggy on the other hand...

Your point is? I'm simply saying that from a value standpoint it makes sense to be ready and prepared for VS when he spawns, especially if you know he's soon, due to his rarity and quality of loot.

[reborn649]

Originally Posted by Insane-Truthteller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All the R guilds have ever wanted is a fair shot and clarity as to what is or isn't breaking the rules. Theres a big difference in literally rule lawyering the black and white text of a rule and using the rules 'spirit' to guide you.

You got your fair shot with the new raid rules, so thats not the problem here. The problem is there is some "gray" area in the rules that the GM's have not spoke up on. According to the way most of the server has interpreted those rules, other than the BDA versus Trakanon scenario, it has worked. If GM's arent speaking up after being so heavily involved with the raid-rule agreement to begin with, than they must think its working. Until someone else is randomly banned (yibz for example), we unfortunately dont have a clear answer and remain in the gray area. Unless it is a BLATANT disregard for the rules, which I haven't saw yet except for the BDA/Trakanon scenario, I think most guilds are trying to follow the PnP as close as possible.