Noble Dojorn Timers

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Powtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We reach the 3 OOA count in about 17 days. It seems quite to me.

Not quite. The script is basically "When Noble Dojorn dies, spawn a new Overseer of Air. If this OOA is slain within 3 days, spawn the Hand of Veeshan. Otherwise despawn him and respawn Noble Dojorn".

So basically we only get "new" OOAs every "normal" pop of Noble Dojorn, i.e. every week and on simulated patch days.

Also now that I put it that way, it never makes sense to kill the OOA. Even the first week you'll get 3 Noble pops (Day 0, 3, 6) instead of Noble/OOA/Hand and then the next week you get two and so on and so forth.

[Powtle]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also now that I put it that way, it never makes sense to kill the OOA. Even the first week you'll get 3 Noble pops (Day 0, 3, 6) instead of Noble/OOA/Hand and then the next week you get two and so on and so forth.

So this respond to Nemce's "ROI" question?
It's always better to have only Dojorn on the C/R/FFA rotation (without touching others) then having the whole trinity on the rotation.

So the remaining issue would be:

Originally Posted by Striiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leaving Overseer of Air up AND trying for a C, R, FFA rotation on Noble Dojorn will eventually become impossible to properly and effectively keep track of. [...] To do otherwise has a great potential for grief.

If there are 2 Dojorns up at the same time we wouldn't know under which Class is each of them.
And we don't know how the server-side script (raid.php) can handle those parallel spawns.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Ploktor

So here are the facts:
Top row is the number of days since repop.
Middle row of numbers = number of efreeti kills if you kill dojo, ooa, and hand.
Bottom row of numbers = number of efreeti kills if OOA is left up.

Assuming no Sim Pops

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
3 3 3 3 3 3 3 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 9 9 9
1 1 1 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 6 6 7 8 9 10 11

What it all means:
-We lose efreeti kills if there are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, or 9 days between server clearing events (patch, server crash, etc).
-We break even if there are 6, 10, 11, or 14 days between server clearing events.
-We gain efreeti kills if there are 12, 13, 15, or more days between server clearing events.
Simulating a repop on day 10 gives:
-Days before simpop remain 9/10 lose efreetis and 1/10 break even
-0, 1, 2, and 4 days after simpop result in a loss of efreetis
-5 days after simpop is a wash
-3 and 6+ days after simpop result in more efreetis

Another simpop on day 20 results in the same odds for days 0-19 and still more efreeti kills on the simpop and beyond.

*This also assumes we are able to handle two efreeti's spawning per day.

With simpops on days 10 and 20 our first three efreeti day would be day 28.

For all intents and purposes it is impossible to know which OOA you are killing if you attempt to kill a particular OOA out of the pack.

Feel free to post on my behalf.

-Ploktor

Of course he is TMO scum now, so I'm not sure I can trust him.

But can we get this guy access to the raid forums so I don't have to post for him ?!

[Powtle]

2 OOA up (March 3rd at 14:00 EST)

[Funkutron5000]

Glad to hear this is workin'

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glad to hear this is workin'

still unsure what "workin" will mean in terms of engaging Noble...

daily click fest or yield to Sky day

[williestargell]

This is a great academic exercise and frankly I think too many of us are having more fun with it as such rather than as a game where the idea is to actually kill stuff.

Let's stop playing around with this and actually take action on something that will produce a good result for the server.

Take a pick

1) GM enforced C/R/FFA
2) Guilds ALL agree to leave OOA up and to rotate the nobles based on who's sky day it is. Frankly we're acting like we have this and we don't. TMO has not agreed.
3) Agreement to not Kill OOA, but leave Noble as FFA (this is what we have currently)
4) No agreement at all.

Give me anything but #3 which is what we have now.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by williestargell [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Give me anything but #3 which is what we have now.

I don't understand. Obviously I would prefer some sort of Sky day semi-rotation if only because click fests are fucking retarded, but by agreeing to leave the Noble up, we get more Efreeti loot (as long as the server is stable for more than 2 weeks or so). This should be a no-brainer regardless of how said loot is distributed.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand. Obviously I would prefer some sort of Sky day semi-rotation if only because click fests are fucking retarded, but by agreeing to leave the Noble up, we get more Efreeti loot (as long as the server is stable for more than 2 weeks or so). This should be a no-brainer regardless of how said loot is distributed.

Its not a no brainer if this agreement requires 9 guilds to accomplish but only 1 guild benefits...

[phiren]

I'd prefer to throw it up to a C/FFA/R rotation like everything else. Putting it up on C / FFA / R gives every guild an incentive to leave the other mobs up to get through the cycle quicker.

The 'your sky day' is just not clear enough for a couple reasons:
#1) Saturday / Sunday / Monday are double days
#2) Other Class R Guilds that do not have Sky days might want to get in on this

I just don't see what the trouble is with FFA / C / R ... other than stirring up the entire debate AGAIN as to whether FFA / C / R is the right thing to be doing in the first place.

Noble gives an FTE shout (he did a month or so ago)... clearly the GMs saw this is an important "Raid Mob".. so why not count it as a Raid Mob like the other Raid Mobs?

~Phiren
Azure Guard