Unbrella

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you counted the members of these guilds? TMO > 5% of the server.

Originally Posted by Number of accounts logged in since December 1st

SELECT COUNT( DISTINCT ( account_id ) ) FROM  `character_` WHERE timelaston > 1385856000

11587

Originally Posted by Number of accounts logged in since December 1st in The Mystical Order

SELECT COUNT( DISTINCT ( account_id ) ) FROM  `character_` a LEFT OUTER JOIN guild_members b ON b.char_id = a.id WHERE b.guild_id =589 AND timelaston > 1385856000

295

295 / 11587

2.5%

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

295 / 11587

2.5%

<3

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by doraf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It cracks me up that you guys never gave a shit about the status of the server until Rogean put his foot down and gave the casuals an actual opportunity to shape the raid scene going forward instead of having the extreme hardcore version shoved down our throats with no choice.

Fixed it for ya.

It cracks me up that you and your kind are busy trying a smear campaign against Chest/BDA to make him look bad to the rest of the server for sticking up to you guys, while you have Unbrella basically saying "If we can't have our toys, neither can the rest of the server, INCLUDING those who currently have no stake in the raid scene."

Way to make your true feelings known for the up-and-coming players who might wish to join in the raid scene one day, guys. I hope they remember how badly you wanted to impact them out of your own pure greed when it comes time for them to participate.

Who's really the villain here now?

- Rejects Rogean's proposal that 7 of 9 guilds agreed to

- Claims BDA is holding everything hostage

- Now wants loot camps to be taken away, which impacts players who have stayed out of the raid scene precisely because of douchebaggery like this.

Get back to negotiating instead of slinging counter-productive shit and trying to dictate once again what the rest of the server gets and doesn't get.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing people online at a given time to people who have been online in the last couple weeks isn't quite right either!

Posted from my nexus 7 while I'm trying to take a shit.

To clarify, I'm not suggesting that the nightly server population is a good way to do it either. It was really the only thing I could think of that provided a datapoint. EX: 1000 people logged on, you know that at least 1,000 unique people play here. After thinking about it, it's really pretty useless for the reasons you stated.

My main point is generally that some players should not be granted consideration in these discussion whereas some groups warrant more consideration. The problem is we don't have the data that we need to properly weigh these factors.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

295 / 11587

2.5%

inb4 "Now add all the alts owned by TMO members that are tagged in other guilds to create subterfuge and see what that percentage increases to." [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[MaksimMazor]

Out of those 12k how many are of raiding capacity

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

295 / 11587

2.5%

rogaine swoops in for the windmill slam

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by MaksimMazor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Out of those 12k how many are of raiding capacity

Why does that matter?

Why is raiding the only fucking thing you guys think is important?

Hello there are 12k other people on the server enjoying things other than raiding.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My main point is generally that some players should not be granted consideration in these discussion whereas some groups warrant more consideration. The problem is we don't have the data that we need to properly weigh these factors.

So you're saying that some players, despite not being a part of the raid scene now, should at no time in the future be part of that raid scene and thus shouldn't have a voice in shaping the future raid scene of this server? Sounds a bit elitist to me.

Every single player from Alarti to the level 3 newb down in Crushbone has a stake in this server. Their voices should be nothing less than equal. Or are you wanting to squelch your future epic MQ customers? Who gave you the right to decide your "voice" is worth "more"?

[MaksimMazor]

I'm sorry I didn't think the non raiders were included among dragon killing discussion