What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[Daldaen]

I'm a bit torn on the epic MQ thing.

On one hand, I think if you have lots of plat, you should be able to throw it into a twink or a new guildmates Rogue or Cleric Epic.

On the other hand, people are making a 'living' (in that it is their primary source of in-game income) off these MQs. To the point that you will see an Epic'd Rogue pick-pocketting in Neriak or Kaladim, or an epic'd Cleric camping Bergugle or Gimblox. (or a toon not of that class even). This blocks players who are trying to do their epic for themselves, which I have a problem with. Forcing players to have to buy their epic and blocking them from really doing the quest as it was intended.

The Velious epic changes are long overdue IMO. SOME of these are fixes to Kunark content, not Velious content. SOME are indirectly Velious content.

Bards - Spawned Trak via UDB --- Post-Velious Content?
Clerics - Spawned Zordak via Pearlescent Shards (/wrists) --- Post-Velious Content?
Druids - Spawned VSR / Fay
Magicians - Earth Staff off male revenants
Necros - Slime Blood off Golems --- Velious Content
Necros - Eye of Innoruuk off Hate Minis --- Velious Content
Rangers - Spawned VSR
ShadowKnight - Soul Leech off Golems --- Velious Content
Warrior - Hand off Hand --- Velious Content
Wizard - Cazic Skin replaced by broken golem

I forget when the Bard/Cleric epics were changed but I seem to recall hearing it was post-Velious. Some of those fixes coincide with Planar updates in Hate and Fear.

Unfortunately you really need the Velious Planar update to remove the issues on VS, CT, Inny as far as epics go. But the 4 bolded ones would lessen it a little bit. I'm to the point where I think just releasing the Velious Planar updates, with Iksar Armor, Minis and Epic pieces moved to trash/minis would be beneficial to the server. No more 1.0 Planes... 4 years has been enough.

[Rooj]

Whether MQing epics is classic or not, it should be removed. We've already dealt with so much stuff that isn't classic already, I wouldn't see what the big deal is. MQing epics is not one of my EQ classic memories, and is not the reason that we play EQ. It is detrimental to the server... So frankly no one should want it. I'd say Nilbog probably agrees.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether MQing epics is classic or not, it should be removed. We've already dealt with so much stuff that isn't classic already, I wouldn't see what the big deal is. MQing epics is not one of my EQ classic memories, and is not the reason that we play EQ. It is detrimental to the server... So frankly no one should want it. I'd say Nilbog probably agrees.

It does have its benefits, which with the new raid rules may be very useful.

once the new raid rules go in we'll be seeing casual guilds getting these mobs and it would be too bad to see epic drops rot because of missing class's, especially when those guilds and players need them/have been waiting so long to just log on and hear oh btw we killed vs last night and your drop rotted, sorry!

its just a shame it has been abused so badly here.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It does have its benefits, which with the new raid rules may be very useful.

once the new raid rules go in we'll be seeing casual guilds getting these mobs and it would be too bad to see epic drops rot because of missing class's, especially when those guilds and players need them/have been waiting so long to just log on and hear oh btw we killed vs last night and your drop rotted, sorry!

its just a shame it has been abused so badly here.

whether it helps someone or not, it makes sure mobs that drop epic pieces arent overcamped bc people want to make some plat.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by heazels [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

whether it helps someone or not, it makes sure mobs that drop epic pieces arent overcamped bc people want to make some plat.

its true, it needs to happen(imo).

people here are too knowledgeable we know all the loopholes, we know how every aspect of the game works, except for bugs which are exploitable and bannable. If theres a way of profiting on it, people will do it.

[Man0warr]

Fix the epic MQ's somehow, or implement the post-Velious epic mob updates, and I have no doubt the Tier 2 guilds will agree to one of the non Rogean proposals.

Everything hinges on people wanting to get their epics and not having to pay TMO's outrageous prices.

This also seems to be the reason TMO/FE don't want to let the Tier 2 people have any rotation on Trak/Inny/VS/CT - they would lose their biggest source of income.

There's a reason Verant made those changes - this same shit had started to happen on Live servers.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Rooj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether MQing epics is classic or not, it should be removed. We've already dealt with so much stuff that isn't classic already, I wouldn't see what the big deal is. MQing epics is not one of my EQ classic memories, and is not the reason that we play EQ. It is detrimental to the server... So frankly no one should want it. I'd say Nilbog probably agrees.

Actually no. Nilbog doesn't agree at all. He has stated as much.

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wells, I always hoped to get an mq for quillmane cloak for my magician epic on live, so as far as it being classic, it is. If you're purely referring to players < lvl 45 obtaining epics, there's an open bug report needing more information and discussion.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=91574

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Willing to listen to reasonable arguments.

I did spend quite a bit of time making sure all those quests, individually perl written, were mqable, because that's fucking classic.

The argument you're trying to make, I think, is for the lower level players not being able to get them with platinum.

So, the same as anything else, I want to certainly try the classic method before modifying anything. As an example you mentioned, variance.

[heartbrand]

As a red player can someone explain the differentiation between a tier 1 and tier 2 guild? VS is two groupable as is faydedar. Almost all mobs in the game excluding hoshkar / nexona are doable with sub 20 players. What am I missing here?

[Man0warr]

The difference seems to be those who are willing to log in at 3am to kill mobs or poopsock are considered Tier 1.

The guilds who don't want (not can't) to resort to such tactics are "casual" Tier 2 guilds.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a red player can someone explain the differentiation between a tier 1 and tier 2 guild? VS is two groupable as is faydedar. Almost all mobs in the game excluding hoshkar / nexona are doable with sub 20 players. What am I missing here?

Reward is the difference. The more rewarding targets are t1.